John- Whether "by design" or not 4x spoke patterns (and the 5x patterns when using 48 spokes, like on tandems) can and do work well enough to allow the many wheels built that way to perform as needed. I can't say that I've ever seen a problem caused by a spoke crossing the head of another. But then I've only built and serviced wheels since 1974. Perhaps others have had different experiences. Andy. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Businger To: classic-rendezvous-lightweight-vintage-bicycles@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 8:56 PM Subject: Re: {Classic Rendezvous} Campag HF Hubs vs. Spoke X-ings ?
I don't know how you can say "they do amazingly well" if something is not by design. There is not a wheelbuilder in the world who would ever recommend the practice of spokes touching adjacent spoke heads. Sometimes bad ideas survive, but that's about it.
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Dale Brown <dalebbrown@gmail.com> wrote:
John wrote: <<Dont'r recommend 4x as the spokes will touch adjacent spoke heads>>
Actually quite a few On Topic bikes came with wheels using 4X on High Flange hubs. Despite over lapping spokes, etc. they do amazingly well...
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:41 PM, John Businger <jbusinger@gmail.com> wrote:
Dont'r recommend 4x as the spokes will touch adjacent spoke heads. 2x not recommended either as you will not achieve true tangential spoking (push/pill). Radial will work as long as you maintain even and maximum tension.
John Businger, Brookline, MA
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:01 PM, <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net> wrote:
2x, 3x, 4x are fine.
Don't recommend radial because of the damage risks involved...
=8-)
Robert Shackelford San Jose, CA USA
Quoting Richard Cielec <teaat4p@gmail.com>:
> Ahoy !
> Re: Campag High Flange hubs, NR/SR, Tipo, 1970's- End of Time Line
> I am asking for reason of my definite ignorance of the physics and
> stresses placed upon hub flanges.
>
> Are radial and 2X crossings compatible with these high flange hubs 32H
> and 36H ? Assumption is that hubs are in good condition, of course.
> Application would be road riding, not racing. Clilncher and tubular
> rims. Rider weight approx. 140 lbs.
>
> Thank you
>
> Richard Cielec
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----- Original Message -----From: John BusingerSent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 8:56 PMSubject: Re: {Classic Rendezvous} Campag HF Hubs vs. Spoke X-ings ?I don't know how you can say "they do amazingly well" if something is not by design. There is not a wheelbuilder in the world who would ever recommend the practice of spokes touching adjacent spoke heads. Sometimes bad ideas survive, but that's about it.
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Dale Brown <dalebbrown@gmail.com> wrote:
John wrote:<<Dont'r recommend 4x as the spokes will touch adjacent spoke heads>>Actually quite a few On Topic bikes came with wheels using 4X on High Flange hubs. Despite over lapping spokes, etc. they do amazingly well...--
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:41 PM, John Businger <jbusinger@gmail.com> wrote:
Dont'r recommend 4x as the spokes will touch adjacent spoke heads. 2x not recommended either as you will not achieve true tangential spoking (push/pill). Radial will work as long as you maintain even and maximum tension.John Businger,Brookline, MA--
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:01 PM, <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net> wrote:
2x, 3x, 4x are fine.
Don't recommend radial because of the damage risks involved...
=8-)
Robert Shackelford
San Jose, CA USA
Quoting Richard Cielec <teaat4p@gmail.com>:
> Ahoy !
> Re: Campag High Flange hubs, NR/SR, Tipo, 1970's- End of Time Line
> I am asking for reason of my definite ignorance of the physics and
> stresses placed upon hub flanges.
>
> Are radial and 2X crossings compatible with these high flange hubs 32H
> and 36H ? Assumption is that hubs are in good condition, of course.
> Application would be road riding, not racing. Clilncher and tubular
> rims. Rider weight approx. 140 lbs.
>
> Thank you
>
> Richard Cielec
> Chicago, Illinois; U.S.A.
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