Re: [CR] nagasawa love - frame orders

(Example: Production Builders:Teledyne)

Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:07:46 -0800 (PST)
From: "jeffrey piwonka" <jmpiwonka@yahoo.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] nagasawa love - frame orders


no i think the turnaround time was 3 weeks.

this is it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jenandross/4857366564/

he had a japanese friend communicate for the order if i remember correctly...

erichie's nagasawa is badass. can't seem to find pics of it now.

i'm not a fan of the socketed tips and dropouts so, when i was asked if i wanted them for the frame i had built (not a nagasawa) i said no thanks...seems lots of people like them and therefore ask for them from the builders...

Jeff Piwonka
Austin, Texas


--- On Wed, 2/9/11, greg piwonka wrote:


> From: greg piwonka <paseone@hotmail.com>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] nagasawa love - frame orders

\r?\n> To: bikes@msu.edu, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 11:38 AM

\r?\n>

\r?\n> someone here in town got a custom frame from nagasawa last

\r?\n> year

\r?\n> and he didn't travel all the way to japan to get measured.

\r?\n> i think turnaround was 3 months or less shipped to his

\r?\n> door.

\r?\n> greg piwonka

\r?\n> austin tx

\r?\n> usa

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\r?\n>

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\r?\n> > From: bikes@msu.edu

\r?\n> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:29:50 -0500

\r?\n> > Subject: Re: [CR] nagasawa love - frame orders

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\r?\n> > Mr. Nagasawa told me that he's no longer building

\r?\n> custom frames for

\r?\n> > customers he can't meet and properly measure and

\r?\n> fit.  As for road frames, I

\r?\n> > didn't see any in progress or in his shop at the time,

\r?\n> so I'm not sure.  He

\r?\n> > did mention that he really doesn't like the complexity

\r?\n> of building road

\r?\n> > frames, but I wouldn't take that as a final answer to

\r?\n> the question if he

\r?\n> > would or wouldn't build more. 

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\r?\n> > 

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\r?\n> > If any of you are seriously interested and willing to

\r?\n> travel to Osaka to

\r?\n> > place the order I can contact him and find out for

\r?\n> you; drop me an email.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > 

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Tim

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\r?\n> > 

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\r?\n> > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 07:47:35 -0800

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > From: "Charles Andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com>

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Subject: Re: [CR] nagasawa love

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

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\r?\n> > If you think about where Nagasawa came from, it's no

\r?\n> wonder he builds frames

\r?\n> > with plug-and-play parts that require little

\r?\n> finish.  I'd do the same were I

\r?\n> > him.  He worked for Pogliaghi and De Rosa at a

\r?\n> time when both those makers

\r?\n> > used pressed lugs and very crudely cast crowns. 

\r?\n> The amount of filing and

\r?\n> > sanding required to make those frames even minimally

\r?\n> presentable would have

\r?\n> > taken hours of work, and work that's very hard on the

\r?\n> finger-tips and hands

\r?\n> > and wrists.  If Nagasawa still had to do

\r?\n> that...he wouldn't be building

\r?\n> > frames anymore, and probably would not have been for

\r?\n> quite some time by now.

\r?\n> > He would have retired with repetitive motion

\r?\n> injuries. 

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > 

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > I have a lot of admiration for the way Nagasawa

\r?\n> thought through the problem

\r?\n> > of how to minimize unnecessary work, and still produce

\r?\n> a high-quality

\r?\n> > product.  His frames might not be quite as

\r?\n> characterful as a 1972

\r?\n> > short-point De Rosa, or a 1968 Pogliaghi road, but

\r?\n> they're still

\r?\n> > recognizably his, and very tidy looking.  And

\r?\n> he's still making them!

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > 

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > I'd love to have one.  They're hard to get

\r?\n> though.  And not cheap when they

\r?\n> > are available on the used market.  Too bad he

\r?\n> doesn't take orders for

\r?\n> > road-frames..or so I've heard..is that true?

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > 

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Charles Andrews

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Los Angeles

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