Re: [CR] Determining Frame tubing?


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From: "Takao Noda" <tanoda@d1.dion.ne.jp>
To: "Classic Bike List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR] Determining Frame tubing?
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:44:52 +0900


On an ad of Ishiwata in 1974 , they wrote Felice Gimondi won the World Championship on a frame made of Ishiwata 017 tube set. They wrote they were surprised at techniques of European professional racers who could climb hard with 017.
    They did not write how they supplied their tubes to Bianchi.
    Ishiwata was closed. But some of ex-employees bought the production facilities and are producing steel tubes. The brand name is Kaisei.
                   Takao Noda
            Hachioji Tokyo Japan


----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Schmidt
To: Mark Bulgier
Cc: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [CR] Determining Frame tubing?



> Mark Bulgier wrote:
> >
> > Dale wrote:
> >
> > > The over sized, bulged-right-behind-the-bbkt. chainstays like
> > > in the PS were also made by Ishiwata.
> >
> > Really? Cool. My '74 Ishiwata catalog doesn't list 'em but I know it isn't
> > complete, I used other Ishiwata tubes that aren't in that catalog, tandem
> > tubes for instance. I used some Ishiwata 24mm c-stays, but they didn't
> > swage down, you had to use 'em with a lugless shell.
> >
> > Do you know of any bikes that used those PS style Ishiwata c-stays?
> > Nagasawa maybe?
> >
> > Interesting quotes from '74 catalog:
> >
> > Victorious The Word [sic] Championship
> > Proffesional [sic] Road 1973 BARCELONA (SPAIN)
> >
> > Victorious The Word Championship
> > Proffesional and Amateur Cross Country
> > 1974 Vella de Vidasso (SPAIN)
> >
> > Alright you racing historians, who won the '73 pro road worlds and what kind
> > of bike did he ride?(snip)
>
>
> Mark,
>
> 1973. Barcelona, Spain. September 2.
>
> Distance: 248.600 km
> Time: 6h 31m 26s
> Average speed: 38.106 km/hr
> 87 riders started, 39 finished.
>
> 1. Felice Gimondi (Italy)
> 2. Freddy Maertens (Belgium)
> 3. Luis Ocana (Spain)
>
> The sprint is shown at the start of the film _La Corse en Tete_ about
> Eddy Merckx' career.
>
> Felice was riding for Bianchi. I'll leave it to someone else to explain
> the connection between Bianchi / Columbus / Ishiwata !
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California
> http://www.velo-retro.com (Reprints, Campagnolo Timeline & T-shirts)