Re: [CR]re: first generation Super Record Derailleurs

<wspokes1@hotmail.com> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [CR]re: first generation Super Record Derailleurs

> Well, this is certainly a good analysis of the market. I remember in the
> larval stages of my cycling career I had "upgrade-itis" to an even greater
> extent than I now do and would constantly be changing out components to get
> lighter weights or more performance.
>
> Some typical friendly trades that are period correct are
>
> Phil bottom bracket and possibly hubs
> Stronglite A-9 headset (the roller bearing one)
> Omas alloy / TI bolt kit
> Pino quick releases
> Aero brake levers
> ...what else?
>
> Would like to know what other list members did THEN to "soup 'em up" and
> what soup up parts are still adorning some members of your fleet.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Dalton" <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
> To: "walter skrzypek" <wspokes1@hotmail.com>
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR]re: first generation Super Record Derailleurs
>
>
> > I've noticed that certain late SR/NR parts seem to be
> > far more abundant than others. You want to hear my
> > pet theories? I'd like to know what others think.
> >
> > Abundance of front derailleurs because everybody who
> > had a clamp-on had to buy a braze-on for some new
> > frame... and everybody with a braze-on had to buy a
> > clamp-on for some other new frame.
> >
> > Abundant used hubs, because everyone had at least two
> > or three sets of wheels, and hubs don't really die
> > unless you crack a flange (not a terribly common
> > occurance)
> >
> > Abundant NOS brake levers, because many people
> > installed non-Campy aero levers on bikes from ca. 1984
> > on, and...
> >
> > Abundant NOS SL pedals because everyone was putting
> > Looks on their bikes at the same time.
> >
> > Tons of NOS braze-on shifters out there, not sure why.
> >
> > As for the scarce stuff...
> >
> > Cranks: too expensive to keep lots of extras around,
> > then thay all cracked.
> > Seatposts: They all got gouged to hell by careless
> > mechanics
> > Headsets: They never did last long. They're all
> > pitted now. All the used SR's that aren't pitted are
> > gouged to hell by careless mechanics.
> > Rear Der's: They aren't as scarce as people seem to
> > think (except for the 1st gen), but a lot have been
> > scraped up in minor crashes
> > Calipers: again, not really that scarce, but brakesets
> > were expensive, so the calipers usually were run for a
> > long time. Not a lot of people just went out and
> > bought another set for that new frame.
> >
> > In the end, it seems that a fair amount of late SR
> > stuff is out there, and that only the 27.2 posts, SR
> > headsets, and cranks are hard to find NOS. Yet it is
> > all so expensive.
> >
> > Tom Dalton
> >
> > --- walter skrzypek <wspokes1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Tom
> > > Couldn't pass up telling someone. I just picked up a
> > > NR 3 holer (braze on
> > > which I needed) for only $2 practically new at a
> > > swap this past weekend.
> > > (Not that you care, just had to mention it)
> > >
> > > Walt Skrzypek
> > > Falls Creek, Pa
> > >
> > > For what it is worth, it is newer with the three
> > > holes as opposed to the 4
> > > holers. You are right in that respect. Bands???
> > > sorry I only know the braze
> > > on. Peace!
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com>
> > > >To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net
> > > >CC: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > >Subject: Re: [CR]re: first generation Super Record
> > > Derailleurs
> > > >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:11:31 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >Chuck,
> > > >Here is the part that concerns me:
> > > >
> > > >Record front derailleur with four holes (later
> > > >to be three) in cage, straight-band
> > > >clamp (later to revert to traditional pointed-band
> > > >clamp),
> > > >
> > > >It is not clear which, if either, of these changes
> > > >occurred first. My theory is that the three-hole
> > > cage
> > > >replaced the four holer before the new-style
> > > pointed
> > > >clamp replaced the straight band. I say this only
> > > >because I have seen a few three holers with staight
> > > >bands, and I assume that they reflect production
> > > >subsequent the former change and prior to the
> > > later.
> > > >On the other hand, I have seen maybe one or two
> > > four
> > > >holers with pointed clamps, but I figure that those
> > > >may have started life with straight bands only to
> > > have
> > > >the bands break (as they often did, I assume) and
> > > >require replacement. Do you have any ideas on this
> > > >(admittedly trivial) matter?
> > > >
> > > >Tom (lookin' for a four-holer) Dalton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Here's the pertinent parts about the Record
> > > front
> > > > > derailleur changing to
> > > > > Super Record (no holes to four holes to three
> > > holes)
> > > > > from the Campagnolo
> > > > > Timeline (http://www.velo-retro.com)
> > > > >
> > > > > 1978 -- CPSC mandates changes to NR/SR. Included
> > > are
> > > > > a front derailleur
> > > > > lip, 2.5 mm increase in spacing
> > > > > between crank spider and arm (to clear the front
> > > > > derailleur lip) with
> > > > > corresponding increase in bottom
> > > > > bracket axle length, a curved quick release
> > > lever
> > > > > and ball-end added to
> > > > > quick release conical adjuster,
> > > > > dome-shape added to quick release cam lever on
> > > brake
> > > > > calipers, and
> > > > > plastic safety-piece on rear derailleur
> > > > > screws.
> > > > > 1979 -- Catalog #17a Supplement is printed for
> > > the
> > > > > year-end trade shows.
> > > > > Introduced are a revised Super Record derailleur
> > > > > with script logo and
> > > > > different cage geometry, single bolt
> > > > > Super Record seat post, Record front derailleur
> > > with
> > > > > four holes (later
> > > > > to be three) in cage, straight-band
> > > > > clamp (later to revert to traditional
> > > pointed-band
> > > > > clamp), short Nuovo
> > > > > Record dropouts without eyelets,
> > > > > chain holder with accompanying control lever and
> > > > > trigger, and fixing
> > > > > shoe-plate for pedals.
> > > > > 1980 -- Development starts on the Campagnolo
> > > > > freewheel, a combination of
> > > > > aluminum, titanium, and steel
> > > > > with a three-pawl rachet system. It was
> > > originally a
> > > > > floating, two-pawl
> > > > > design, then a floating three-pawl,
> > > > > and finally a fixed three-pawl design for
> > > > > production. (It's presumed the
> > > > > floating-pawl design was too difficult
> > > > > to service). The last project that Tullio
> > > personally
> > > > > oversaw. The 980
> > > > > low-cost rear derailleur is introduced.
> > > > > 1982 -- Olympic Catalog is printed for the
> > > year-end
> > > > > trade shows.
> > > > > The Campagnolo freewheel is introduced along
> > > with
> > > > > the Super Record front
> > > > > derailleur with black anodized
> > > > > arms, three holes and brazed-on fitting option,
> > > the
> > > > > HiLo Record rear hub
> > > > > (reputed to be originally
> > > > > custom-made for the West German Olympic Team in
> > > > > 1972), toe clips in both
> > > > > steel and alloy versions, the
> > > > > second version of the titanium axle bottom
> > > bracked
> > > > > (solid instead of
> > > > > hollow, with nuts rather than bolts), the
> > > > > 980 rear derailleur (project started in
> > > September
> > > > > 1980?), and BMX
> > > > > crankset (gold, blue, or silver anodizing),
> > > > > pedal (gold, blue or black), and large or small
> > > hubs
> > > > > (gold, blue or
> > > > > silver). Also, a series of promotional items
> > > > > are offered; corkscrew, nutcracker, a limited
> > > > > edition belt buckle set,
> > > > > an Olympic lapel pin set, a folding,
> > > > > disposable razor, a travel bag, and various
> > > > > Campagnolo window and frame
> > > > > stickers.
> > > > >
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