[CR]More details - What Have I found?

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From: "Eric Elman" <tr4play@home.com>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: [CR]More details - What Have I found?
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:33:38 -0500

A few more frame details: the card does not say "11th" but "11eme" with a small slanted line over the 1st "e"; the chain stays are round oval round; there is also one pump peg brazed on the underside of the TT at the front - non at the rear!; seat post size is stamped 26.2 but measures 26.04; lugs are filed thin but brazing is of mediocre quality/consistancy; rear DO's have all sorts of other stuff stamped in them but the powder coating is so thick it makes everything else impossible to decifer except a "REG????.." stamping.

Anyone???? Any ideas??

Thanks in advance,

Eric Elman
cold Somers, CT

----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Elman
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: [CR]What Have I found?

> Yesterday I stumbled onto a bike that I hope some of you can help ID. It
> would appear to be very un-original but the frame is what intestests the
> most. The parts are a mish mash of vintage campagnolo NR, Cinelli old logo
> bars and stem, Laprede seatpost, Brooks pro saddle, Supermaxy triple
> crankset, Shimano rear derailleur, modernish (1980's Campy front der), etc.
> The frame has a plastic card with two attahing loops at its top to hang it
> from the TT and one attaching loop connecting it to the head tube. On the
> card is printed "1987 Audux Club Parisien, 4215 (big and centered), 11th
> Paris Brest Paris." Card is off white, print is red and blue except the
> (entry?) number 4215 which is a pastel green. The frame at first looks very
> much like an early PX10 with Nervex pro lugs and Nervex BB shell. But it is
> actually quite different with seat stays that are almost full wrap around
> (they don't meet by anout 1/8"), they are also very, very, very thin -
> unlike anything I have ever seen. At the top they are narrow but only a
> little bit compared to "normal" but at the bottom where the DO is mounted
> they are only about 1/4" diameter! The brake bridge is arched ala some team
> Peugeots but not reinforced where brazed to the stays but with a flush mount
> piece (you know, in place of the aluminum piece that is flat on one side and
> conave on the other so that the brake will sit flat onto/against the bridge)
> brazed on the side facing the brake but not on the back side. Rear brake is
> a long reach campy NR with a Campy drop bolt. The Dropots appear to be
> simple forgings or very nice stamped units as the edges are all rounded
> nicely, raised QR area, no der hanger tab and one set of eyelets. Just
> where the top of the DO comes out of the stay is what looks like "GNOLO" is
> this part of Campagnolo and the rest is on the tab up in the stay? They are
> not campy 1010 do's and they have no provision for an adjuster. Also
> stamped on the left rear DO is H75657. Also on the frame, and I suspect
> not original, are brazed on TT brake cable guides, two sets of water bottle
> cage mounts, chain hanger, shift lever mounts and top of BB cable guides.
> Front Der is clamp on. the frame is all scratched uo, no decals and white
> powde coat. the guy at the bike shop where I found this new nothing about
> it at all. To him, just a piece of junk taking up space. Front fork is
> probably a replacement as well since it is a Vitus aluminum just like on the
> Peugeot PY10cp I own. There are esge fenders front and rear. the fronts
> have special little brackets made to wrap around the fork blades due to lack
> of eyelets.
> So HHhheelllllppp..............????????????
> What on earth was this? How could such thin rear stays possibly support

> adult?