First of all there are other sources with facts & opinions regarding most items in the universe.Consult with those that you trust & make your value judgement from there.
I feel one of the primary benefits of this list is the incredible wealth of information/minutia we possess as an entity.We use each other for the benefit of all who care to partake.
Nick Zatezalo Atlanta,Ga
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:45:05 EDT GPVB1@cs.com wrote:
> Nick, I certainly agree with you that Caveat
> Emptor *always* applies, even
> more so in the crazy parallel universe known as
> eBay.
>
> However, if someone makes a claim like "this
> was Coppi's personal bike used
> in the TdF" or "this was John Howard's personal
> bike," they need to be
> prepared to substantiate that claim (because
> until proven, that's all it is -
> a claim). How could you prove, as a potential
> buyer, eBay sellers' claims
> such as those?
>
> Richard, I disagree that we've been "trashing"
> either of the auctions in
> question. I thought the discussion on the
> Bianchi in particular was quite
> civil. Can't we even do that in this forum? I
> realize that bike was sold
> (BTW, does the new owner want to "out"
> himself?), so it's moot, but these are
> the kind of minutiae we classic bike nerds
> agonize over! Don't take all of
> the fun out of the process!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Greg Parker
> In way too PC A2 MI USA
>
> In a message dated 10/9/02 3:12:44 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
>
>
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:59:27 -0400
> > From:
> > To: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Reply-To: nickzz@mindspring.com
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Coppi 1952 TdF (?) Bianchi
> on eBay
> >
> > In many ways I agree with what you say about
> sellers being up front &
> > divulging any & all information they have
> regarding an item for sale.
> >
> > However there is also a responsibility that
> goes with the buyer to
> > substantiate all of the facts prior to
> purchase.A savvy buyer should never
> > believe all that is included in the
> description without validating it
> > personally or at least to his own
> satisfaction.A wise buyer makes wise
> > purchases based on his knowledge of the items
> he buys.Not on what the seller
> > says they are.
> >
> > My motto has always been BUYER BEWARE.Then I
> only have me to blame for a bad
> > purchase decision.
> >
> > Nick Zatezalo
> > Atlanta,Ga.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:53:02 EDT
> OROBOYZ@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 10/4/2002 1:05:38 PM
> Eastern
> > > Daylight Time,
> > > richardsachs@juno.com writes:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Coming into this a bit late (I have been
> off at
> > > the Bike Show) ....
> > >
> > > Well, this is rather a crucial point about
> a
> > > persons responsibility in
> > > selling a valuable thing, be it a bicycle
> or
> > > anything else. True ignorance of
> > > the facts or feigned ignorance, the result
> is
> > > the same.
> > >
> > > I think I read in between the lines that
> Richie
> > > has affection and empathy for
> > > the older gentleman, which I can
> understand,
> > > but this seller still must be
> > > held responsible when selling something as
> > > special as this bike. HE should
> > > have asked you to help him properly
> describe
> > > that bike before placing it for
> > > auction.
> > >
> > > You cannot simply say a bike belonged to
> Coppi
> > > if you are really not sure or
> > > able to substantiate it. Imagine selling an
> > > item "Used by John Kennedy" or
> > > selling your home by saying it had some
> > > enhancing attribute that you really
> > > didn't know for sure and unable to
> substantiate
> > > it. It would be seen as
> > > outrageous. Kind of like these religious
> > > relics, i.e., "Saint Sebastian's
> > > toe bone" Yuk.
> > >
> > > That bike was valuable in it's own right as
> a
> > > mechanical piece but the Coppi
> > > provenance would boost it's value immensely
> to
> > > some buyers. If we are "CR
> > > Police", in a position to call someone to
> task
> > > on a slip up (or, in some
> > > other cases, intentional misrepresentation)
>
> > > like this, I think it's a good
> > > thing.
> > >
> > > Dale Brown
> > > Greensboro, North Carolina
> > >
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