Hi Richard. Near as I can tell, some in the CR group feel that one of the individuals creating Hetchins machines is producing forgeries, while the other is creating the real McCoy (neither a forgery nor a reproduction). The one Hetchines advertisement I've seen claims that Hetchins is back (C Plus), implying that the lineage is intact and the new Hetchins are just like the old ones. The seller on ebay took a different tack with the Campy hoods. He didn't advertise them as "real," didn't claim that "the real Campy is back," and let the market set the price for the hoods. I'm not fully up to speed on the price of the original world logo hoods, but I think they hover in the 80 dollar range, which is about twice what the seller got for his repros (one offs?). Jon
Jon Cowden Ithaca, NY
ps How about mating all of your beautiful bikes with real (quill) stems?! :)
On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Richard M Sachs wrote:
> sorry fellows.
> i can't seperate the issues as they relate to this:
> several months about there was a firestorm over
> the hetchins 'issue'. are the two firms which now
> produce 'hetchins' forging or reproducing?
> yeah-i know...
> no one ever said the campy-hoods-on-ebay
> were, in fact, forgeries. i'm just seeing some
> overlap on the issue at hand.
> e-RICHIE
> telai da corsa
> dans l'atelier
> on the 1st floor
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 08:15:59 -0700 "Steven L. Sheffield"
> <stevens@veloworks.com> writes:
> >
> >
> > for·ger·y
> > n. pl. for·ger·ies
> > 1. The act of forging, especially the illegal production of
> > something
> > counterfeit.
> > 2. Something counterfeit, forged, or fraudulent.
> > 3. A copy that is presented as the original [syn: imitation,
> > counterfeit]
> > 4. criminal falsification by making or altering an instrument with
> > intent
> > to defraud
> >
> >
> > re·pro·duc·tion
> > n.
> > 1. The act of reproducing or the condition or process of being
> > reproduced.
> > 2. Something reproduced, especially in the faithfulness of its
> > resemblance
> > to the form and elements of the original: a fine reproduction of
> > a
> > painting by Matisse.
> >
> >
> > There is a vast difference between a forgery and a reproduction.
> > The
> > gentleman who is making these hoods is not passing them off as
> > original ...
> > so they are not forgeries.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Steven L. Sheffield
> > stevens at veloworks dot com
> > veloworks at mac dot com
> > aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash
> > double-you
> > double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> > > Reply-To: "Steve Neago" <questor@cinci.rr.com>
> > > Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:02:10 -0500
> > > To: <Patrick@aardvark-pro.com>, "'Jim Cole'" <jcole@memphis.edu>,
> > > <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [CR]Campy Repro Hoods Results
> > >
> > > A "forgery" (your negative conotation) depends on the view of the
> > beholder
> > > and depends on why the reproduction was made in the first place.
> > >
> > > An ultra-purist with a strictly show bike would claim these are a
> > forgery
> > > yet a person with a "rider" bike would shout with glee at
> > obtaining viable
> > > replacement part. Criticizing repro parts as "forgeries" is
> > getting anal.
> > >
> > > It all depends on the buyer's perspective. For a rare and
> > practically
> > > unobtainable rubber part to be made available at a reasonable price
> > is OK by
> > > me... no need to stamp repro parts when it fits my bike!
> > >
> > > Regards, Steve Neago
> > > "Just back from 85 degree Florida vacation to 2 inches of snow in
> > Cincinnati
> > > OH"
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dave Patrick" <Patrick@aardvark-pro.com>
> > > To: "'Jim Cole'" <jcole@memphis.edu>;
> > <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:01 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [CR]Campy Repro Hoods Results
> > >
> > >
> > >> Well, I'd better add to this: I don't think duplicating Campy
> > hoods is too
> > >> difficult to achieve by most "handy" CR members. Part of my
> > background
> > >> involves lining up protyping of various designs etc., and I think
> > that the
> > >> necessary products for molds and castings are obtainable if one
> > wanted to
> > >> "duplicate" this individual's results. I have a strong suspicion
> > that
> > > we'll
> > >> be seeing quite a few "bootleg" Campy hoods in the very near
> > future, which
> > >> will then result in emails on this site over how to detect "the
> > real
> > > thing"
> > >> from the "forgeries". Are we having fun yet?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Dave Patrick
> > >> Chelsea, Michigan
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org
> > >> [mailto:classicrendezvous-admin@bikelist.org]On Behalf Of Jim
> > Cole
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:53 PM
> > >> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > >> Subject: [CR]Campy Repro Hoods Results
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Looks like the auction has ended for those reproduction Campy
> > world logo
> > >> hoods. The final price was $43.00. Guess that's about 1/2 or
> > what the
> > >> original article brings on ebay these days. Sure hope more
> > become
> > >> available.
> > >>
> > >> http://ebay.com/
> > >>
> > >> Jim Cole
> > >> Memphis, TN