snipped: BUT I think I should say only that Bill Semonian's chat about Mondonico is very good and entertaining but maybe gently slips into more of a sales pitch at times rather than a super accurate technical treatise............................. Dale Brown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ agreed! he has alot of frames to sell. plus-that is VERY OLD copy that was cut-pasted in the earlier email. my guess-10 years old. e-RICHIE still in chester, ct