Strong words for a "expert" where you don't have all the facts... Guy Apple never identified which specific decals he is having problems obtaining. How can you determine what he seeks is illegal when the decal set is not specifically identified. Prehaps your condemnation could be directed to companies like CyclArt where unauthorized duplicated decals is apparently commonplace. You seem to condemn the man's actions to buy from a third party before you know all the facts.
The central problem is that many OEM companies won't get involved in licensing their trademarks/copyright logos. Their retain their legal right to sue if duplication gets out of hand, but don't seem to enforce this right.
Regards., Steve Neago
>
> In a message dated 5/12/02 7:55:49 AM, gapple@nvt.com writes:
>
> << I have a list member friend. He was recently trying to fine a frame
> decal for a frame set. He e-mailed around, and he called around only
> to find that no decal supplier would supply a decal without
> conditions. They obviously had the decal but would not part with one.
> Why? I call it the "I have got mine" syndrome. These people had the
> decals, but would not part with them unless my friend refinished the
> entire frame. How about $500 for a decal? It is always their choice
> as sellers, but it sets a tone for the CR community that, in my
> humble opinion...stinks.
> >>
>
> Sorry, couldn't disagree more. How does the decal supplier know that the
> decal isn't being used on the right frame? Sad to say, misrepresentation
is
> rife in cycling, and I don't mean the obvious ones like Cinelli decals on
> Winsors. Plus, who are you to determine how a person uses his property? My
> decals go only to painters that I can trust. If one of those painters
started
> spreading decals around (not necessarily my own) I'd sure have second
> thoughts about them.
> And it doesn't stink. What stinks is that you feel that you have some sort
of
> right to another's property because you belong to a "community." You
don't.
> Phil Brown
> A little testy after today's F1 race and going out to build a bike in
NoHo, Ca