Re: [CR]Production Fillet brazing

(Example: Framebuilding:Technology)

Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:37:31 -0400
From: "Joe Bender-Zanoni" <joebz@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Production Fillet brazing
To: CYCLESTORE@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Cc: monkeylad@mac.com, jimmycue@att.net
References: <fd.1afd6101.2a6cca61@aol.com>


Schwinn made production fillet brazed frames aplenty for at least 40 years and probably a lot more. Superior and Sports Tourer in the 1970s. Going back to Superiors in the 1930s. The Paramount was only added as a model above the Superior in 1937 or so and was made by the Wastyns while Schwinn built the Superiors. I believe Schwinn built Superior type frames back to the 1890s although the early bikes may have been internally lugged, then fillet brazed.

I guess with the TA cranks a Sports Tourer is a poor mans Rene Herse.

Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch, NJ


----- Original Message -----
From: CYCLESTORE@aol.com
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]Fillet brazing who does it still? Alex Moulton



>
> In a message dated 7/21/02 8:51:21 PM, monkeylad@mac.com writes:
>
> << I don't think fillet brazing get's the
> respect it should from folks, but that's just me. Was there ever a
> real production fillet brazed frame?
> ciao,
> Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
> Just ordered my first custom surfboard
> today in Santa Barbara, Calif. >>
>
>
> Hello gang,
>
> On production fillet brazed frames, Alex Moulton started his spaceframe this
> way in 1982 and perhaps on some models earlier. At one time they made a 1000
> a week I was told. ( Classic Content)
>
> Today they still work with Reynolds 531( Classic Content) , and some other
> exotic Japanese (Classic, yes) tubing. Their top line products are in
> aerospace stainless steel again fillet brazed with silver( Classic Content).
>
> (Slightly Non Classic warning)
> Current production is relatively small at less than a 1000 units per year
> (still production more or less) with some custom touches aimed at what Alex
> like to call the upmarket. I was told that by builder/engineer there a few
> years back their New Series space frame takes 100 hours to complete. I hope
> they have speeded this up as we sell the complete bicycles for less than this
> production cost with components!
>
> I think Page 12 of the current Bicycling mag has a Garret Lai story about the
> top model. We import and sell lots of them. The racks and carriers are
> French style with classic gracious curves but other wise a bit wild.
>
> <A HREF="http://www.alexmoulton.co.uk">www.alexmoulton.co.uk</A> is the
> website, a bit dated but interesting.
>
> Alex used to say if you are the sort of cyclist that owned more than a couple
> of bicycles (anyone out there like that) then one ought to be a Moulton.
>
> Yours in Moultoneering,
>
> Gilbert Anderson
>
> The North Road Bicycle Company
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