Just off the top of my head most of the 853 tubes are a .8/.4/.8 wall thickness, though some are thinner, which is quite a bit thicker than .3 straight guage. Also on your bike the dropouts are most likely much heavier. When I compare a pair of 50's era track-ends to the modern ones they're easily half the weight. These are all guesses since I haven't seen your new bike or the one Jan is talking about. I have also heard legends of, but never seen, sub 3 pound time-trial frames from the 50's and 60's. I have held in my hands Eddy's hour record bike and one of Beryl Burton's time-trial bikes and both were scary light. enjoy, Brandon"monkeyman"Ives Your milage may vary in Santa Barbara, Calif.
On Monday, 01, 2002, at 12:58AM, Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Jan Heine wrote:
>>
>(cut) Bikes were very special, with every component
>> reworked. Tubes were superlight 0.3 mm. Resulting bikes were more
>> like 16 lbs. with lights, racks, fenders, etc. Not designed to last
>> more than two or three events.
>
>A question.
>
>My newest bike is a 2002 Waterford 2800 fixed-gear road bike made from
>Reynolds 853 steel tubing with polished stainless steel lugs. It has a
>Record track group (48x16), single front Record brake with carbon lever
>(ergo guts removed), Nisi Sludi 290g sewup rims, Ibis ti stem and
>Campagnolo ti seat post with a Sella Italia SLR 135g saddle, and
>Speedplay pedals.
>
>This bike weighs 16.5 lb.
>
>Now, a 16 lb. bike with lights, racks, fenders, etc????? Please explain?
>
>Chuck Schmidt
>SoPas, SoCal