Re: [CR]Fw: Ciocc, Cinelli

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From: Brian Baylis <>
To: Rich Rose <>
Subject: Re: [CR]Fw: Ciocc, Cinelli
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:48:12 -0700


The primary actual use for vertical dropouts is on frames that are fitted with fenders. So technically the are for touring bikes.

Brian Baylis La Mesa, CA

> What exactly is the attraction to vertical rear dropouts? Not just on
> these otherwise somewhat traditional lugged steel frames, but on bikes
> in general? The only thing I can think of is faster wheel changes? Yeah,
> that's what I'm worried about!?
> Richard (likes mine horizontal) Rose
> Toledo, Ohio
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> Chasteen
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:07 PM
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> All:
> I'm intrigued by these currently available lugged steel framesets. The
> Cinelli and Ciocc appear to be very nearly identical (OK, the tubing
> isn't) to frames produced during the latter part of the era we venerate
> while the Gios is a compact but still constructed with lugs.
> So, who is making these and how do they compare to their predecessors?
> Rick "I checked with Dale first" Chasteen, Kansas City
> Pro+Frame+without+Fork&vendorCode=GIOS