Re: 'House' branding, Campy partial groups(:Was:[CR]Was mildly oddCampagnol

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From: "Raoul Delmare" <R.Delmare@Charter.net>
To: "C.R. List" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: 'House' branding, Campy partial groups(:Was:[CR]Was mildly oddCampagnol
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:10:40 -0600


Hey Larry ,

I completely agree with you .

I think you are completely correct .

I was just quoting the official company line , so to speak .

From :

http://www.geocities.com/sldatabook/detail6064.html

The problem with the official retail information from Schwinn , is that it had an incredibly long lead time . Those "brand-new" catalogs always featured photos taken in the Summer of the year before . So , what does that tell us ?

Schwinn was ( and their old printed information still is ) notorious for being out of date , by the time it was printed . The routinely got the colors wrong , in the catalogs . I'm sure that those Weinmann tubular rims for sew-up tires were gone by then ( especially the wood-filled ones !! ) .

But , as a general price guide , I feel the information is accurate enough .

And , as always , the dealers were free to wheel and deal as they pleased , unless they made some other larger & more powerful Schwinn dealer angry by being too loose with their pricing , too much , too often .

When I wanted to buy a 1972 Schwinn Paramount , new , in the Summer of 1972 , the dealership was charging only a few extra dollars ( like maybe $ 5 or $ 10 ) , above the Schwinn's suggested retail , but there was about a 14 month waiting list . I honestly can't recall what they told me about Campagnolo brake pricing . But it was a nice round number , either $ 50 , $ 75 , or $ 100 . I'm thinking it must have been $ 50 that they mentioned .

In 1975 ( ? ) , when that same Schwinn dealership ( in the nearest big city - Cutler's Schwinn Cyclery , Corpus Christi , Texas ) was feeling pinched for money , they sold my friend Bruce a beautiful black Schwinn P13 Deluxe Paramount Road Racer , with Campagnolo brakes , at a discount . In making sure he knew what a good deal it was , they told him that the Campagnolo brakes were a $ 100 option .

Those are the same brakes he still has on his Ron Cooper .

Hey Bruce , have I confused the details too much ?

Hey Larry , thanks !

Raoul Delmare
Marysville Kansas


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<Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: 'House' branding, Campy partial groups(:Was:[CR]Was mildly oddCampagnol


> In a message dated 1/9/2003 7:57:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> R.Delmare@Charter.net writes:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > 1972 - Model P13-9 - $ 350.00
> >
> > optional custom "made to measure" frame - $ 40.00
> >
> > optional "Clementi Campionato del Mondo sew-up tires . . . on
> > Weinmann aluminum alloy wood-filled rims" - $12.95 per pair
> >
> > optional Campagnolo brakes - $ 50.00
> >
> > Yes! That's the way it was! You could buy the entire 1972
> > bicycle ( with very good brakes ) for $ 350 . But , if you wanted to
> > upgrade to the optional Campagnolo brakes , it would have cost you an
> > extra
> > $ 50 !!
> > That was more than 14 % additional , AND they still got to
> > keep the standard ( very good ) brakes !!
> >
> >
>
> While I've been regarding Raoul's recollections as gospel, have appreciated
> them, have kept them on file, now I've got to back and check the above
> somehow.
>
>
> I bought the P-13 new in'72, and I remember
> the Campy's were $40, the rims for which I opted were Schwinn Approved
> (probably Super Champ 330g) and my tubulars were the no-charge Clement 50's.
> I thought the wood filled rims were dropped by that year.
> I opened the carton myself - and while it was very hot in the store room, the
> light was good enough that I would have noticed a set of Weinmann 999's and
> the two cable hangers.
>
> In response to a previous posting about 'all Campy except brakes.(which
> was,in fact a second-nature phrase as was Superrecordnontitanium (later
> called super pro by many and meaning steel bb)
> I remember the Centurion Equipe '84 - made by Cinelli. We bought several and
> still have some new ones.It had Universal Brakes -(probably the 'Aer' model,
> I'll have to check-even thogh the cables were sprouting)
> Basically the FD,RD, shift levers were NR- another common set-up.
> The Motobecane GranRecord had these three pieces as well in an even farther
> back time.
>
> On to
> Fanous Alternative marques/branding.
>
> Cinelliphiles will probably have some commentary on Cinelli-made frames with
> alternate marques like the Centurion (the company was later changed to
> Diamondback before seriously plunging into the masses)
>
> On a similar mote, Colnago made some frames for West Coast Cycle
> (Nishiki,Cycle Pro,Azuki, Mondo,Windsor importers)
> There was even one with eyelets and a slight 'stretch' to the frame.
> The name escapes me but will some back.
>
> On to more...
> Larry Black
> Mt airy, Md.