[CR]bad math on '71 Holds

(Example: Framebuilders:Norman Taylor)

Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 17:16:54 -0400
From: <unreceived_dogma@mindspring.com>
To: Brandon Ives <monkeylad@mac.com>, Steve Neago <questor@cinci.rr.com>
cc: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: [CR]bad math on '71 Holds

that should be £1.00 to $2.10, not the other way around. ----------
>From: unreceived_dogma@mindspring.com
>To: Brandon Ives <monkeylad@mac.com> , Steve Neago <questor@cinci.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Off topic: Steel is Real! - CR 2003 bike ratings...
>Date: Thu, May 8, 2003, 3:54 PM
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>From a 1971 Holdsworth catalogue:

Record, 10 spd: £65 ($136) Super Mistral, frame only: £28 ($59) Super Mistral, 10 speed £142 ($298) Professional, track, frame only: £29 ($61) Professional, road, frame only: £36 ($76) Professional, road, 12 spd: £174 ($365)

I paid £103 ($216) for my Holdsworth Record in London in September 1975.

The exchange rate in 1975 was £2.1 to $1.00, I used the same rate for 1971, but I am not sure.

My Record is a middle-of-the road-quality touring bike. It is Reynolds 531 straight tubing, forks, and stays, and came with Campy Record derailleurs, shifters, and hubs, GB bars and stem, Wright saddle, Weinmann 610/999 centre pull brakes and guards, Lyotard pedals, Regina block, no-name post, no-name cottered crank and no-name drop-outs, and god knows what rims, they are long gone, but the catalogue spec for '71 says Fiamme.

Hope this helps the discussion somewhat.

Michael Lebron New York City ----------
>From: Brandon Ives <monkeylad@mac.com>
>To: Steve Neago <questor@cinci.rr.com>
>Cc: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Off topic: Steel is Real! - CR 2003 bike ratings...
>Date: Thu, May 8, 2003, 2:26 PM
>
>On Thursday, May 08, 2003, at 10:54AM, Steve Neago <questor@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>>CR Member Aldo (Bianchi prefered) will like the Consumer Reports June 2003
>road bike ratings that just came out... At these prices, I will stay with
>my vintage collection...
>
>Whenever I hear people complain about the "prices of bikes these days" I
>head right over to The Inflation Calculator http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
>Now the average price of these 9 bikes are $928 which is $535 in '84 , $238
>in '74, and $164 in '64.
>Using these calculations the bikes these days are a real deal. I'm sure
>someone can give us a breakdown of the $238 bikes of the mid-70s, so what
>were they so we can have a real comparison?
>enjoy,
>Brandon"monkeyman"Ives
>SB, CA
>
>>1.) Bianchi Eros - 23 lbs - $1050 - Steel frame
>>2.) Klein Q-Carbon - 20 lbs - $1400 - Aluminium - Carbon frame
>>3.) Lemond Tourmalet - 23lbs - $1100 - steel frame
>>4.) Trek 1200 - 22 lbs - $1000 - Aluminium Frame - Carbon fork
>>5.) Giant OCR1 - 22 lbs - $1050 - - Aluminium Frame - Carbon fork
>>6.) Raleigh Grand Prix (A CR Best Buy) -23 lbs - $900 - - Aluminium
>Frame - Carbon fork
>>7.) Specialized Sequoia - 22 lbs - $1100 - - Aluminium Frame - Carbon fork
>>8.) Fuji Newest - 21 lbs - $825 - - Aluminium Frame
>>9.) Cannondale R400 Sport - 23 lbs - $850 - - Aluminium Frame - Carbon fork
>>
>>Consumer Reports seemed to prefer steel frames over carbon. I am
>surprised there is only about a 1 lbs difference in bike weights between
>steel and Aluminium Frame /Carbon fork complete bikes. I still fail to
>see the need for current 27 speed bikes when a trusty vintage 18 speed will
>do me just as well...
>>
>>Regards, Steve Neago
>>Cincinnati, OH
>>
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