Charles,
I'll take a pair of white Cinelli bar end plugs if you still have any. Thanks!!
Jerry Corcoran
Canby, OR
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> 1. Another reason why you just gotta love ebay
> 2. Re: Removing Old Glue - Yet Another Suggestion (Martin Appel)
> 3.
> ebay rules--somewhat OT (was re: the ethics of ending auctions
early
> etc.) (C. Andrews)
> 4. Hoard, question (toni theilmeier)
> 5. FS: Hercules (wspokes)
> 6. (CR) Hoard Question (reilley1)
> 7. parts listed (Matteo Brandi)
> 8. Re: The ethics of ending auctions early on vintage items on eBay.
> (skip sinatra)
> 9. Re: The ethics of ending auctions early on vintage items on eBay.
> (skip sinatra)
> 10. eBay...and another thing! (Nick Zatezalo)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:07:03 EST
> From: Bikerdaver@aol.com
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Another reason why you just gotta love ebay
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> Another reason why you just gotta love ebay. Do a search on seller:
mekons123
> check out this person's feedback to see the mighty hand of ebay at its
best.
>
> Its things like this that makes me glad that we have this list as resource
to
> sell and trade stuff. Heck even rec.bicycles.marketplace with all its
fracus
> would expose and get rid of a seller like this mekons123 person.
>
> Pardon my pessimism in this Holiday season. Cheers,
> Dave Anderson
> Cut Bank MT
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 16:24:38 +0100
> From: Martin Appel <martin@camelot.de>
> To: Mercurys43@aol.com
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]Removing Old Glue - Yet Another Suggestion
> Message-ID: <62154538093.20031230162438@camelot.de>
> In-Reply-To: <9a.60cfe7.2d2239c1@aol.com>
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>
> Hallo Listmembers,
>
> thanks for all the hints about my glue-problem. The red stuff was
> indeed *very* old, my guess is it was from the first and only glue-up
> these wheels have ever seen, in 1975.
> I used a teaspoon (not so good) and a spatula with a rounded tip (very
> good) in combination with engine cleaner with good results.
> Now i have a similar problem with my insanely expensive, of-topic
> carbon wheels, but i stick to axlegrease and Coleman-fuel with them
> :-)
>
> Thanks to all who helped!
>
> Martin Appel
> from cold, rainy, snow-less Munich, Germany
>
> Mac> I recently had great success removing some 20 year old glue from a
pair of
> Mac> tubular rims using a wire brush wheel that attaches to my power
drill. They are
> Mac> available at Home Depot. I just took my time, nice and slow and the
glue
> Mac> came right off. Plus, I prepped the rim for some fresh glue in the
process.
>
> Mac> David Allen
> Mac> Marietta, GA
> Mac> As always, near the Big Chicken
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:43:14 -0800
> From: "C. Andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com>
> To: <halbike@yahoo.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]
> ebay rules--somewhat OT (was re: the ethics of ending auctions early
etc.)
> Message-ID: <001d01c3cefc$67f38980$719afea9@chasds>
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>
> Paul wrote:
>
> "If you want to bid, bid. If you are playing last
> miniute snipe games you might get left out--
> Paul Genaro
> Sidney NY"
>
> I have to disagree here. If you want to bid, the only sane
> thing to do is wait until the last 10 seconds, because by
> any other method, you will pay top-dollar. This is why I
> use e-snipe, and have for years. It's the only reasonable
> way to play on ebay as a buyer.
>
> It's true, using e-snipe I might get left out, but I'd
> rather that than pay too much. For stuff I really want, I
> make a nice, stiff, snipe-bid on e-snipe, and then hope I
> can get the item.
>
> Ebay has been extremely stupid about the issue of extending
> auctions. They should re-write their software to extend
> auctions by 5 minutes every time a bid is made in the last 5
> minutes. Then ebay would be like a true auction. I'd be
> fine with that, btw.
>
> But, for some unaccountable reason, ebay has refused to do
> this. I can't imagine why, either, because both they, and
> sellers, would make more money that way. I've speculated
> that the reason ebay does not change the auction rules in
> this way is because they're afraid they will scare off
> buyers as a result. I think that's a misguided idea, but,
> then, I don't run the company either.
>
> Charles "I wish I'd bought ebay stock 4 years ago...I was
> using the service, why the hell didn't I buy it? ;> "
> Andrews
> SoCal
>
> Classic Content: For Sale: Pair Cinelli rubber bar-end
> plugs, older logo (not flying *C*), in red, white, or blue.
> $10 pair, shipped. The perfect touch for your period
> restoration. PayPal only, please. No checks. I have
> several pairs in different colors, but when they're gone,
> they're gone.
>
>
> Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in
> a
> finite world is either a madman or an economist.
>
> --Kenneth Boulding
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 30 Dec 2003 18:00 GMT
> From: Toni.Theilmeier@t-online.de (toni theilmeier)
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]Hoard, question
> Message-ID: <1AbOB2-17eK2b0@fwd07.sul.t-online.com>
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> Message: 4
>
> Hi all,
> went to see a friend of mine today who is moving house and who said he
migh=
> t chuck some bits and pieces out if someone didn=B4t take them off his
hand=
> s. What then happened was that I filled a whole Citroen 2CV Truckette full
=
> of fifties, sixties, and seventies stuff, ranging from the utterly boring
u=
> p to hardly used Record Pista components, and was thanked for taking the
st=
> uff away. The exact words were, "well, imagine that, all that old stuff
jus=
> t cluttering up the garage and here=B4s someone who enjoys it so".
There=B4=
> s still some unbelievably nice people about.
>
> Anyway, the chap also gave me the remains of a Mercier, the frame in its
se=
> cond coat of paint and again scratched beyond recognition (he was a good
am=
> ateur racer, both road and track), with a Shimano D/A ax chainset with the
=
> strange pedals, early D/A brakes and an Edco headset. Bearing in mind that
=
> the bike has seen heavy use, what do I do with it? Scrap it? Does anyone
wa=
> nt it?
>
> Thanks for letting me know your opinion. Have a nice New Year,
>
>
> Toni "two Christmases within one week" Theilmeier, Osnabrueck, Germany.
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:11:59 -0500 (EST)
> From: wspokes <wspokes@penn.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]FS: Hercules
> Message-ID:
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>
>
> If anyone is interested. I have a Hercules, 26 1 3/8 inch tires. It is the
Raleigh made AMF type with Huret Alivit parts and pieces. Low end and
nothing special and it def could use some TLC. If someone is interested in
it for giving to there kid or someone, let me know. Figure shipping costs
max. To give it a price on this list. $40 shipped.
>
> Walt Skrzypek
> Falls Creek, Pa
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:24:34 -0800
> From: "reilley1" <reilley1@netzero.net>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR](CR) Hoard Question
> Message-ID: <000c01c3cf02$2e3deb80$bbc71ecc@computer>
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>
> From: Toni.Theilmeier@t-online.de (toni theilmeier)
>
> ......Anyway, the chap also gave me the remains of a Mercier, the frame =
> in its second coat of paint and again scratched beyond recognition (he =
> was a good amateur racer, both road and track), with a Shimano D/A ax =
> chainset with the strange pedals, early D/A brakes and an Edco headset. =
> Bearing in mind that=20
> the bike has seen heavy use, what do I do with it? Scrap it? Does anyone =
> want it?
> ------------------------------------------
> Me me me!! :)
>
> Rick Gaytan
>
> In Greedy San Diego
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:44:56 +0100
> From: Matteo Brandi <bees.bfg@tin.it>
> To: cr list <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]parts listed
> Message-ID: <BC178637.F15%bees.bfg@tin.it>
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>
> Hi all!
>
> Merryxmas and happynew year!
>
> I ve listed some stuff and jerseys that can be seen
>
at:<http://ebay.com/<blah>
> lofiorentino&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50>
>
>
> OK crew,i need all the links,sources,pix u can supply,need to see what
> ,graphics,details,engravings,pantoing were in bikes(anycountry)from the
60s
> till mid 80s.
> Thank u all in advance
>
> Matteo Brandi fiorenza Italia
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:20:24 +0000
> From: "skip sinatra" <skipsinatra@hotmail.com>
> To: halbike@yahoo.com, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]The ethics of ending auctions early on vintage items on
eBay.
> Message-ID: <Law9-F17YfCHpcJFG3q00009c7a@hotmail.com>
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>
> I have to agree with Paul.....and also agree with the sentiments of
Charles
> in a later post. I don't think its off-topic because the existence of
ebay
> brings a lot of us vintage parts that were otherwise economically
> unavailable. Ebay is like so many other things in life in that there is
no
> such thing as a free lunch. I have been burned but more often than not, i
> get fair (or in some cases more than fair) value for my dollars. People
> list items to sell them. Having had stuff 'sold from under me', I always
> assume that something could be sold off ebay. In fact its a seller's
option
> to delist something as 'no longer for sale'. Thus, if its something i
> really really want, and the item is unbid, I always ask a buyer what they
> are looking for and sometimes pay it. I don't think it unethical for
either
> of us to do so. Sniping too is part of the game and it would be nice if
> auctions could be extended....
>
>
> >From: halbike <halbike@yahoo.com>
> >To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >Subject: Re: [CR]The ethics of ending auctions early on vintage items on
> >eBay.
> >Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:02:38 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >There are A LOT of games being played on ebay. Bidders
> >bid and retract without pentalty -sometimes because
> >other people offer bidders the same item for less,
> >sometimes for BID SHIELDING reasons(see ebay) Lots of
> >Bogus bidders do not pay and ebay only provides the
> >hollow remedy of negative feedback (They do not
> >require a credit card or positive id from bidders as
> >they do from seller). Fees are high and listing fees
> >still have to be paid if the bidder does not pay,
> >easily $5-10 on a quality item. If my auction has
> >reached what I consider a good price and the bidder
> >looks solid or is known to me -I sometimes end and
> >sell for the current price because it is in my best
> >interest-
> >
> >If you want to bid, bid. If you are playing last
> >miniute snipe games you might get left out--
> >Paul Genaro
> >Sidney NY
> >
> >--- OROBOYZ@aol.com wrote:
> > > I just had a question from a list member about this
> > > (troubling in my opinion)
> > > tendency of late for sellers of old bike parts
> > > stopping auctions to accept a
> > > (presumably high) offer from a buyer, thereby
> > > nipping in the bud all standing
> > > offers from others.
> > >
> > > I have copied my response below, in order to elicit
> > > your opinions and
> > > comments. I think it is on topic because so many of
> > > us find the bits and pieces for
> > > our old bikes through eBay.......
> > >
> > >
> > > << I (believe) that canceling an eBay auction
> > > before it is allowed to run
> > > it's course is unethical on the part of the seller,
> > > and by logical extension,
> > > to the buyer.
> > >
> > > In my opinion, when one offers an item for sale in
> > > an eBay auction, that
> > > constitutes an agreement to enter into a
> > > pre-established defined system of trade,
> > > a set process, agreed upon "terms of sale".
> > >
> > > To allow someone (in this case, you) to make an
> > > offer that changes those
> > > agreed upon term or conditions. and remove all the
> > > bidders efforts to jointly bid,
> > > is a violation of this agreement and of ethics. If
> > > the other bidders were
> > > made aware of the "behind the scenes" offer and
> > > given a chance to beat it, that
> > > would be fair. But then we would be right back in an
> > > auction context as eBay
> > > allows.
> > >
> > > Ending an auction to accept a particular person's
> > > offer, to the detriment and
> > > elimination of all other bidders, eliminates the
> > > promised competition to buy
> > > at a highest bid. It simply is not playing fair.
> > >
> > > I personally would cease bidding on items placed for
> > > sale by sellers who
> > > ended auctions early to accept out-of-auction
> > > offers.
> > >
> > > That's my opinion.....
> > >
> > > Dale Brown
> > > Greensboro, NC
> > > _______________________________________________
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> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:32:46 +0000
> From: "skip sinatra" <skipsinatra@hotmail.com>
> To: skipsinatra@hotmail.com, halbike@yahoo.com,
> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]The ethics of ending auctions early on vintage items on
eBay.
> Message-ID: <LAW9-F38Be7VT1o97V30000e047@hotmail.com>
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> MIME-Version: 1.0
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> Message: 9
>
> sorry.........forgot my sign-off
>
> Skip Sinatra, a distant cousin
> Frog Level, VA
>
>
> >From: "skip sinatra" <skipsinatra@hotmail.com>
> >To: halbike@yahoo.com, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >Subject: Re: [CR]The ethics of ending auctions early on vintage items on
> >eBay.
> >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:20:24 +0000
> >
> >I have to agree with Paul.....and also agree with the sentiments of
Charles
> >in a later post. I don't think its off-topic because the existence of
ebay
> >brings a lot of us vintage parts that were otherwise economically
> >unavailable. Ebay is like so many other things in life in that there is
no
> >such thing as a free lunch. I have been burned but more often than not,
i
> >get fair (or in some cases more than fair) value for my dollars. People
> >list items to sell them. Having had stuff 'sold from under me', I always
> >assume that something could be sold off ebay. In fact its a seller's
option
> >to delist something as 'no longer for sale'. Thus, if its something i
> >really really want, and the item is unbid, I always ask a buyer what
they
> >are looking for and sometimes pay it. I don't think it unethical for
> >either of us to do so. Sniping too is part of the game and it would be
> >nice if auctions could be extended....
> >
> >
> >>From: halbike <halbike@yahoo.com>
> >>To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >>Subject: Re: [CR]The ethics of ending auctions early on vintage items on
> >>eBay.
> >>Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:02:38 -0800 (PST)
> >>
> >>There are A LOT of games being played on ebay. Bidders
> >>bid and retract without pentalty -sometimes because
> >>other people offer bidders the same item for less,
> >>sometimes for BID SHIELDING reasons(see ebay) Lots of
> >>Bogus bidders do not pay and ebay only provides the
> >>hollow remedy of negative feedback (They do not
> >>require a credit card or positive id from bidders as
> >>they do from seller). Fees are high and listing fees
> >>still have to be paid if the bidder does not pay,
> >>easily $5-10 on a quality item. If my auction has
> >>reached what I consider a good price and the bidder
> >>looks solid or is known to me -I sometimes end and
> >>sell for the current price because it is in my best
> >>interest-
> >>
> >>If you want to bid, bid. If you are playing last
> >>miniute snipe games you might get left out--
> >>Paul Genaro
> >>Sidney NY
> >>
> >>--- OROBOYZ@aol.com wrote:
> >> > I just had a question from a list member about this
> >> > (troubling in my opinion)
> >> > tendency of late for sellers of old bike parts
> >> > stopping auctions to accept a
> >> > (presumably high) offer from a buyer, thereby
> >> > nipping in the bud all standing
> >> > offers from others.
> >> >
> >> > I have copied my response below, in order to elicit
> >> > your opinions and
> >> > comments. I think it is on topic because so many of
> >> > us find the bits and pieces for
> >> > our old bikes through eBay.......
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > << I (believe) that canceling an eBay auction
> >> > before it is allowed to run
> >> > it's course is unethical on the part of the seller,
> >> > and by logical extension,
> >> > to the buyer.
> >> >
> >> > In my opinion, when one offers an item for sale in
> >> > an eBay auction, that
> >> > constitutes an agreement to enter into a
> >> > pre-established defined system of trade,
> >> > a set process, agreed upon "terms of sale".
> >> >
> >> > To allow someone (in this case, you) to make an
> >> > offer that changes those
> >> > agreed upon term or conditions. and remove all the
> >> > bidders efforts to jointly bid,
> >> > is a violation of this agreement and of ethics. If
> >> > the other bidders were
> >> > made aware of the "behind the scenes" offer and
> >> > given a chance to beat it, that
> >> > would be fair. But then we would be right back in an
> >> > auction context as eBay
> >> > allows.
> >> >
> >> > Ending an auction to accept a particular person's
> >> > offer, to the detriment and
> >> > elimination of all other bidders, eliminates the
> >> > promised competition to buy
> >> > at a highest bid. It simply is not playing fair.
> >> >
> >> > I personally would cease bidding on items placed for
> >> > sale by sellers who
> >> > ended auctions early to accept out-of-auction
> >> > offers.
> >> >
> >> > That's my opinion.....
> >> >
> >> > Dale Brown
> >> > Greensboro, NC
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Classicrendezvous mailing list
> >> > Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >> >
> >>http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/classicrendezvous
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:49:46 -0500 (EST)
> From: Nick Zatezalo <nickzz@mindspring.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]eBay...and another thing!
> Message-ID:
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>
> When is an item NOS? [ New Old Stock ]
>
>
> Check the following auction for one interpretation.
>
> At least he spells out HIS meaning by description.
>
>
>
>
http://ebay.com/
>
>
>
> Nick Zatezalo
> Atlanta,Ga
>
>
>
>
>
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