RE: [CR]E-bay Pog, is it the real deal? real scmheal, real BS!!

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From: "Matthew Gorski" <bikenut@verizon.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: RE: [CR]E-bay Pog, is it the real deal? real scmheal, real BS!!
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:35:20 -0700
In-Reply-To: <15d.36cb6cfd.2df1f31d@aol.com>


Dave, You're right! Every bike is worthy and equal. I have read some stunning

essays on just that topic at http://www.socialist_bicycle_collector.com Look in the BS/Gasbag/Fodder section on the Hoaxes perpetrated by Vintage Bicycle folks who claim that some bikes are 'fundamentally different' than others, AND even different from early/late production from same 'Named' maker/Mfg. Dave, can you believe those people??? There is also a section on painting all vintage bikes grey, since they are all worthy ;^)

Donald Dundee Boston, MA

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Bikerdaver@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 7:46 AM To: OROBOYZ@aol.com; MMEison@aol.com; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]E-bay Pog, is it the real deal? real scmheal, real BS!!

In a message dated 6/4/2004 6:15:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, OROBOYZ@aol.com writes: built by Rossin (?) that are not "worthy". _______________________________ MMEison- Please don't take this personally, and I am 100% sure that you have pure intentions, plus its not my desire to offend, but I find comments like the above total fodder for gas bag B.S.ers. Who is one to say one bike vs another bike is not worthy? From your posting, I presume it is not you. But then why do you repeat it? Again, I am 100% sure you have good intentions, but you further propagate or enhance a bogus manner of judging bikes. From what I have seen on this list, absolutely NO one has ever come forward and claimed that they know 100% for certain that of every Pog they see, they are 100% capable of telling whether it was made by "the master himself", one of his many assistants, Rossin, Basso, DeRosa, etc., etc. Sure there are

differnces between each of these bikes, each paint color, each lug used, etc. There are 365 days in a year, but which day is "unworthy", which is not "real"? Even if it was not made by "the master himself", go tell all the pro

racers that their Basso, Rossin, or DeRosa is not worthy or "real" as they are first across the finish line. Not worthy, not real, yeah right! Maybe this list is full of shamed Pro racers who have ridden "non-worthy" Pogs to loss after repeated loss in the TdF, Coors Classic, Vuelta, etc. Let them come forward and testify to their bike's "unworthiness". Do put words in their mouth, let them tell us first hand. I can tell you what is "unworthy", Bogus opinions based on pure speculation, and the poor souls that buy into that flatulence!!

Dave--we are all "unworthy" in the eyes of Quasimoto--Anderson Cut Bank MT