[CR]Cable Fasteners

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From: "Alistair Johnston" <synertik@telus.net>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:45:38 -0700
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Subject: [CR]Cable Fasteners

Greetings All Advice and help needed with a small detail related to the finalization of my restored 1946 Ernie Clements. If I say so myself the finished article looks fabulous but I have one picky little detail I cannot satisfactorily resolve. The gear set on the bike is a Cyclo Ace 3 Speed and from the down tube shifter handle comes two cables. I need a nice shiny little cable clamp that will accommodate the two cables to hold them in place between the shifter and the bottom bracket. Before I start creating a solution I thought I would ask the group. My technical advisor on the project, a local Olympic cyclist from 1948 who raced against Clements couldn’t find anything that would suit amongst the plethora of ancient and vintage nic nacs in his store. Any bright ideas? I will happily send pictures of the machine to anyone who might be interested in seeing the finished article. Regards

Alistair Johnston White Rock, BC

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Today's Topics:

1. Bike Measurements again... (Chuck Schmidt) 2. Re: Bike Measurements again... (Richard M Sachs) 3. Re: How about chrome paint instead of chrome plating for a frame? (Donald Gillies) 4. Re: Chainstay length now Bottom Bracket height...Oh No! Not Again... (Joe Starck) 5. Re: Bike Measurements again... (Joe Starck) 6. Re: Chainstay length now Bottom Bracket height...Oh No! Not Again... (Richard M Sachs) 7. Raleigh "Grand Sports" : Frankenbike ?? (Donald Gillies) 8. Re: Bike Measurements again... (Chuck Schmidt) 9. _laterally_ ovalized head-tube? (w.a. manning) 10. Re: was Normandy Hubs, now Sunshine Pro-Am (Mark Stonich) 11. RE: Valgan Chambord (Edward Kasper) 12. Re: How about chrome paint instead of chrome plating for a frame? (Stephen Barner) 13. Re: Raleigh "Grand Sports" : Frankenbike ?? (Warren & Elizabeth) 14. Re: _laterally_ ovalized head-tube? (Joe Starck) 15. Re: Slotted/oval/racetrack holes on HF Tipo hubs 16. Re: How about chrome paint instead of chrome plating for a frame? 17. RE: Slotted/oval/racetrack holes on HF Tipo hubs (David Bilenkey)

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:28:27 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Bike Measurements again... Message-ID: <411D3275.47B2857A@earthlink.net> References: <20040812.231044.3928.92.richardsachs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 1

Ahoy! Maybe some of you frame builders out there can help a Brutha out...

I'm trying to measure from the axis of the centerline of the adjuster screw on the Campagnolo™ #1010/A drop out to the Campagnolo™ #2041/A serrated washer for the front brake #2000/1 and can't figure out if it is measured in a straight line "as the crow flies" or as lines perpendicular to the horizon that intersect a line parallel to the horizon???

My brain is so locked up now that I lost my sense of balance and failed to complete my morning ride to the coffee house on my beloved Mercian Vigorelli Superlight road/track iron.

Please help!

Chuck Schmidt El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciúncula, El Norte

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:33:49 -0400 From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Bike Measurements again... Message-ID: <20040813.163349.1396.76.richardsachs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 2

gettin' close to the big six-oh, eh?! e-RICHIE chester, ct

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:28:27 -0800 Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> writes: Ahoy! Maybe some of you frame builders out there can help a Brutha out...

I'm trying to measure from the axis of the centerline of the adjuster screw on the Campagnolo™ #1010/A drop out to the Campagnolo™ #2041/A serrated washer for the front brake #2000/1 and can't figure out if it is measured in a straight line "as the crow flies" or as lines perpendicular to the horizon that intersect a line parallel to the horizon???

My brain is so locked up now that I lost my sense of balance and failed to complete my morning ride to the coffee house on my beloved Mercian Vigorelli Superlight road/track iron.

Please help!

Chuck Schmidt El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciúncula, El Norte

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:38:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]How about chrome paint instead of chrome plating for a frame? Message-ID: <200408132038.NAA10294@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Precedence: list Message: 3
> Frames are routinely rechromed as part of restoration, don't know why that
> should be any harder on Condor than on any other marque. Chroming does involve
> corrosive substances, but that is why you choose someone who knows what he (or
> she) is doing for restorations.

Whereas an original chrome just just involves electrically adding some chrome, a chrome restoration involves electrically stripping the chrome and then polishing the chromed area, and then rechroming the area. Each of the 3 rechroming steps can harm the frameset. It is far harsher to rechrome a frameset than to chrome it originally.

I would recommend that, if it's a small area of the frameset that has problems, consider getting a dremel and restoring the chrome with a brush chroming set. The downside is the chrome will be a little bit "warmer" (pinker) than "british blue chrome". This is only noticeable in bright flourescent lights.

On the other hand, it's very cheap ($50 for a KMart dremel w/wire brush and a brush chroming kit and some 600/1200/2000 grit sand paper), and it is far, far lower impact than a full restoration / rechroming of a frameset. Save the rechroming only for very severe rust infections that have spread everywhere.

We are only temporary caretakers of these frames for 5, 10, or 20 years.

- Don Gillies San Diego, CA ------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Starck <josephbstarck@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Chainstay length now Bottom Bracket height...Oh No! Not
   Again... Message-ID: <20040813203822.25300.qmail@web42006.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040813.154343.1396.66.richardsachs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4


--- Richard M Sachs wrote:


so, when you ask:
> "...what can't I measure with fair accuracy to
> double-check what
> the builder promised?"
> i assume you meant to write, "...why can't i...",

I meant as I asked, Richard, which should or could have elicited a simple response like, "dimension A and B," or, gee Joe, I guess I can't think of anything. But you rehashed what I already know about framebuilding. I'd rather you'd acquiesced to the abilities of "lay people" on simple addition and subtraction, that's all.

Joe Starck
> snipped:
> " can't I measure with fair accuracy..."
>
>
>
> when i fixture a frame, (CR content: even tho it's
> not a 1" top
> tube frame...), i cut the tubes to fit the fixture.
> once the frame
> is brazed, i refixture around it and double check
> against the
> precsribed numbers. if any at all, the only changes
> occur in
> the front center measure - it can shrink .5mm, and
> in the head
> angle - it can come by by a minute or three. this is
> due to heat
> expansion and contraction.
> after i refixture around the finished frame, i
> record the numbers
> and write them in the book.
> to tell you the truth, i can't remember any client
> ever addressing
> these numbers and saying either 'yea' or 'nea' to
> what i describe
> the frame's numbers to be. if i tell a guy it's a
> 42cm chainstay
> and he wants to measure it, why does it matter if he
> uses a rule
> and i use my fixture? if i measure a 42cm chainstay
> on a frame
> and the book says i wrote down 41.75cm, i usually
> buy myself
> a pink guitar and listen to adrian balou.
> ya' know what? there are no guitars here. why?
> because i went
> to high school and if the discrepency example i cite
> here were
> ever a reality, i would not have finished making the
> frame.
> so, when you ask:
> "...what can't I measure with fair accuracy to
> double-check what
> the builder promised?"
> i assume you meant to write, "...why can't i...",
> you can measure
> it. if you're not clear on why a difference may
> exist, ask the frame's
> builder. if he tells you his numbers are the
> centreline ones we've
> discussed, that will explin why they differ from the
> ones yielded
> from the tapemeasure.
> e-RICHIE
> chester, ct
>
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Joe Starck
> <josephbstarck@yahoo.com> writes:
> --- Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> wrote:
>
> "...typically, all measurements on a bicycle are
> center to center. fwiw, measuring the key dimensions
> after it is assembled will not always replicate the
> 2D
> ones that were in the frame blueprint."
>
> Richard,
> I asume you do, as I and others did and/or do, i.e.,
> incorporate every parts variable into the frame
> design, i.e., lower stack heigth, tire size, rim
> radius, etc., such that when it's all assembled,
> tires
> pumped up, tape shellacked, and what not, THAT A
> FINAL
> MEASURING INSPECTION SHOULD JIVE WITH THE BUILDER'S
> AIM, ELSE HE ERRED.
>
> As earlier discussed with chainstay length, the
> "effective chainstay length," as Don called it, or
> the
> "virtual length," to paraphrase, as you called it,
> can
> be double-checked by measuring the actual chainstay
> length, i.e., hypotenuse, and add half a centimeter
> or
> so, ON AN ASSEMBLED BICYCLE. The third dimension
> isn't
> at play here.
>
> The only third dimension measurements that aren't on
> your 2D drawing of note are dropout spacing and all
> that that entails.
>
> So if I positioned my newly assembled
> summumbonumboojum bicycle upright on a level
> surface,
> approached it from the side(2D as in your drawing)
> and
> went to town on it with my tape measure, I'd expect
> all my measurements taken by me, someone with basic
> math skills, to jive with da plans.
>
> That said, what can't I measure with fair accuracy
> to
> double-check what the builder promised?
>
> Joe Starck
> summumbonumboojum bicycles
> Madison, WI
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:44:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Starck <josephbstarck@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Bike Measurements again... Message-ID: <20040813204410.95649.qmail@web42002.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040813.163349.1396.76.richardsachs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5

But for some people's penchants for pathologizing some people's post do more posts appear than some people please is a perspective of paramount(on-topic) import when pondering posting principles, Peter, er, Richard, er, Chuck, er, John...

JOE STARCK,
SUMMUMBONUMBOOJUM BICYCLES
MADISON, WI


--- Richard M Sachs wrote:


>
> gettin' close to the big six-oh, eh?!
> e-RICHIE
> chester, ct
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:28:27 -0800 Chuck Schmidt
> <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> writes:
> Ahoy! Maybe some of you frame builders out there
> can help a Brutha
> out...
>
> I'm trying to measure from the axis of the
> centerline of the adjuster
> screw on the Campagnolo™ #1010/A drop out to the
> Campagnolo™ #2041/A
> serrated washer for the front brake #2000/1 and
> can't figure out if it
> is measured in a straight line "as the crow flies"
> or as lines
> perpendicular to the horizon that intersect a line
> parallel to the
> horizon???
>
> My brain is so locked up now that I lost my sense of
> balance and failed
> to complete my morning ride to the coffee house on
> my beloved Mercian
> Vigorelli Superlight road/track iron.
>
> Please help!
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Angeles
> de Porciúncula, El
> Norte
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:46:00 -0400 From: Richard M Sachs <richardsachs@juno.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Chainstay length now Bottom Bracket height...Oh No! Not Again... Message-ID: <20040813.164601.1396.77.richardsachs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6

Joe Starck <josephbstarck@yahoo.com> writes:


--- Richard M Sachs wrote:


have elicited a simple response like, "dimension A and B," or, gee Joe, I guess I can't think of anything. But you rehashed what I already know about framebuilding. I'd rather you'd acquiesced to the abilities of "lay people" on simple addition and subtraction, that's all. ------------

it wasn't a lay person that asked. when one has, i have replied in kind. e-RICHIE chester, ct ------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Raleigh "Grand Sports" : Frankenbike ?? Message-ID: <200408132109.OAA14775@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Precedence: list Message: 7

The name for the Raleigh "RRA" was maybe by gluing the "R" from "RALEIGH" onto the "RA" from "RALEIGH" to get the "RRA" label.

Is the raleigh "Grand Sports" derived by gluing the "Grand" from "Grand Prix" onto the "Sports" from the Raleigh "Sports" 3-speed ?? Would that be a frankenbike name ?? We could invent many new 1970's raleigh bike names in this way. For example :

Raleigh Super Sprite (petite bike w/big performance) Raleigh Professional Tourist (for the bums among us) Raleigh Space Record (released july 20 1969) Raleigh Super Mountie (sold only on canada day, Jul 1) Raleigh Super Grand Superbe (the "all-adjective" bike) Raleigh Super Prix (pronounced "super prick", sold only to jerkey customers)

- Don Gillies San Diego, CA ------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:17:24 -0800 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Bike Measurements again... Message-ID: <411D3DEA.D654CC2F@earthlink.net> References: <20040813.163349.1396.76.richardsachs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 8

Blew right by it and am holding tight to 61!

e-CHUCKIE sopas, socal

Richard M Sachs wrote:
>
> gettin' close to the big six-oh, eh?!
> e-RICHIE
> chester, ct
>
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:28:27 -0800 Chuck Schmidt
> <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> writes:
> Ahoy! Maybe some of you frame builders out there can help a Brutha
> out...
>
> I'm trying to measure from the axis of the centerline of the adjuster
> screw on the Campagnolo™ #1010/A drop out to the Campagnolo™ #2041/A
> serrated washer for the front brake #2000/1 and can't figure out if it
> is measured in a straight line "as the crow flies" or as lines
> perpendicular to the horizon that intersect a line parallel to the
> horizon???
>
> My brain is so locked up now that I lost my sense of balance and failed
> to complete my morning ride to the coffee house on my beloved Mercian
> Vigorelli Superlight road/track iron.
>
> Please help!
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciúncula, El
> Norte
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:35:47 -0500 From: "w.a. manning" <wamanning@email.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]_laterally_ ovalized head-tube? Message-ID: <20040813213544.C3EFB163A03@ws3-7.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9

my just-acquired bottecchia (used, columbus SL, lugged) has what appears to be an oddly ovalized head-tube.

the lower-opening of the head-tube is wider laterally than it is longitudinally. this strikes me as very strange, as any ovalizing i've ever heard of in the head-tube placed the stretched axis longitudinally. there's nothing extraordinary about the condition of the head-tube or frame that would suggest any sort of major impact damage, although i dont have the original fork to know for sure. regardless, if there was a significant front-end impact i would still expect any deformation/stretching to be front-to-back, rather than side-to-side.

strange. anyone have any ideas? it's destined to be an indoor-trainer bike, so it's not really that important...but puzzling nonetheless.

walter manning metro-detroit-area, michigan ------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:25:46 -0500 From: Mark Stonich <mark@bikesmithdesign.com> To: rodk3d@comcast.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]was Normandy Hubs, now Sunshine Pro-Am Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040811165727.033244f8@pop-server.mn.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10

At 8/9/2004 02:12 PM +0000, Rod Kronenberg wrote:
>Any collective wisdom on Sunshine Pro-Am hubs? I have a set of low
>flangers that I am considering building up. Are these worth it?

Yes!
>How's the bearing quality?

Excellent!
>How about replacement parts?

Haven't needed any, but my experience is that, with most hubs of that vintage, (mine are 1977) you can usually find cones that are "close enough".

To be safe, overhaul regularly and the cones should last a long time.

Please note new eMail Address - we'll be dropping RoadRunner July 1st Mark Stonich; BikeSmith Design & Fabrication LLC http://bikesmithdesign.com

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:31:04 -0400 From: "Edward Kasper" <doghouse44@earthlink.net> To: "classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Valgan Chambord Message-ID: <410-22004851322314859@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: doghouse44@earthlink.net Message: 11

FYI: This is a relisting, with the original auction ending at $277, reserve not met. The components and finish work are worth checking out...I just didn't need another project to bid it higher...

Ed Kasper Detroit MI

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:24:00 -0400 From: "Stephen Barner" <steve@sburl.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]How about chrome paint instead of chrome plating for a frame? Message-ID: <001901c4818c$9d9ca5b0$6400a8c0@bourke> References: <CATFOODISlABvwu72mR000003a8@catfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12

The Fantachrome product can only be applied by someone with the specialized equipment from this manufacturer. The Alsacorp product looks like it will cost more than the price of real chrome. I could see it, if you had a nice original whose chrome had been ruined from bad storage (sadly, all too common an occurance). If you're going to refinish the frame anyway, I'd just have the chrome redone or paint color over it.

Steve Barner, Bolton, Vermont


----- Original Message -----


>
> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:54:30 -0500
> From: "Larry Hakim" <larryhakim@hotmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]How about chrome paint instead of chrome plating for a frame?
>
> Hope this is an approriate question for this group: One of the hard
> decisions I'll have to make about my Condor is whether to keep as much of
> the existing satin chrome on the frame or get it re-chromed which Condor
> have warned against as being too hard on the tubes. As an alternative to
> plating there is "chrome paint" which looks like interesting stuff.
>
> Has anyone here ever used chrome paint for any bicycle project, and if so
> were you satisfied with the results?
>
> Here are links to two companies that manufacture the paint:
>
> http://www.alsacorp.com
>
> http://www.fantachrome.com.au
>
> Larry Hakim,
> Oxford, MS

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:10:36 -0400 From: Warren & Elizabeth <warbetty@sympatico.ca> To: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Raleigh "Grand Sports" : Frankenbike ?? Message-ID: <411D587C.2050901@sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <200408132109.OAA14775@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> References: <200408132109.OAA14775@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13

Don, very intuitive of you...the Raleigh Mountie came in a 24" wheel Junior model and an adult EA3 wheeled version as well. I'm pretty sure they were out in the mid 60's. Camelback frames with SA single coaster hubs.

Had one not long ago...available on all days BUT July 1 cuz the stores are closed.

Warren "I always get my man (?)" Young Toronto

Donald Gillies wrote:
> The name for the Raleigh "RRA" was maybe by gluing the "R" from
> "RALEIGH" onto the "RA" from "RALEIGH" to get the "RRA" label.
>
> Is the raleigh "Grand Sports" derived by gluing the "Grand" from
> "Grand Prix" onto the "Sports" from the Raleigh "Sports" 3-speed ??
> Would that be a frankenbike name ?? We could invent many new 1970's
> raleigh bike names in this way. For example :
>
> Raleigh Super Sprite (petite bike w/big performance)
> Raleigh Professional Tourist (for the bums among us)
> Raleigh Space Record (released july 20 1969)
> Raleigh Super Mountie (sold only on canada day, Jul 1)
> Raleigh Super Grand Superbe (the "all-adjective" bike)
> Raleigh Super Prix (pronounced "super prick",
> sold only to jerkey customers)
>
> - Don Gillies
> San Diego, CA
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:21:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Starck <josephbstarck@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Cc: "w.a. manning" <wamanning@email.com> Subject: Re: [CR]_laterally_ ovalized head-tube? Message-ID: <20040814002109.29003.qmail@web42007.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040813213544.C3EFB163A03@ws3-7.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14

Walter, The ovalization of your Bottecchia parallels ovalization that can occur at that area from high-temp' brazing(brass), either lugged or more often, when fillet-brazed. Perhaps the installation of the headseat rounded everything out, yet with cups removed, the metal sprung back? Joe Starck summumbonumboojum bicycles Madison, WI


--- "w.a. manning" wrote:


> my just-acquired bottecchia (used, columbus SL,
> lugged) has what appears to be an oddly ovalized
> head-tube.
>
> the lower-opening of the head-tube is wider
> laterally than it is longitudinally. this strikes
> me as very strange, as any ovalizing i've ever heard
> of in the head-tube placed the stretched axis
> longitudinally. there's nothing extraordinary about
> the condition of the head-tube or frame that would
> suggest any sort of major impact damage, although i
> dont have the original fork to know for sure.
> regardless, if there was a significant front-end
> impact i would still expect any
> deformation/stretching to be front-to-back, rather
> than side-to-side.
>
> strange. anyone have any ideas? it's destined to
> be an indoor-trainer bike, so it's not really that
> important...but puzzling nonetheless.
>
> walter manning
> metro-detroit-area, michigan
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:39:52 EDT From: Bikerdaver@aol.com To: dbilenkey@sympatico.ca, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Slotted/oval/racetrack holes on HF Tipo hubs Message-ID: <15d.3c6d0a6b.2e4eb958@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15

In a message dated 8/13/2004 1:15:03 PM PST, dbilenkey@sympatico.ca writes: Having come into one of these hubs I did a search in the archives but couldn't see anything conclusive. Was the consensus that these hubs were just early Tipo? This particular one is dated 1970. Perhaps the switch to round holes was a cost saving measure and helped to visually differentiate the Record and Tipo hubs. Thoughts? Conclusions that I missed? Anything? Thanks, David Bilenkey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- I don't really know didly about them either, but have a pair that I hope to bulid up someday. As an interesting aside, mine came off a Schwinn Paramount that was completely Campy NR in every other way. I just figured it was "special"; special bad or special good, I don't know? cheers- Dave Anderson Cut Bank MT

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:43:45 EDT From: Bikerdaver@aol.com To: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net, larryhakim@hotmail.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]How about chrome paint instead of chrome plating for a frame? Message-ID: <60.42a87080.2e4eba41@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16

In a message dated 8/13/2004 1:20:36 PM PST, jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net writes: Frames are routinely rechromed as part of restoration, don't know why that should be any harder on Condor than on any other marque. Chroming does involve corrosive substances, but that is why you choose someone who knows what he (or she) is doing for restorations. Regards, Jerry Moos Houston, TX

Larry Hakim <larryhakim@hotmail.com> wrote: Hope this is an approriate question for this group: One of the hard decisions I'll have to make about my Condor is whether to keep as much of the existing satin chrome on the frame or get it re-chromed which Condor have warned against as being too hard on the tubes. As an alternative to plating there is "chrome paint" which looks like interesting stuff. Has anyone here ever used chrome paint for any bicycle project, and if so were you satisfied with the results? Here are links to two companies that manufacture the paint: http://www.alsacorp.com http://www.fantachrome.com.au

Larry Hakim, Oxford, MS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Larry- I agree with Jerry on this one. I recall some manufacturers, like Libertas in Europe used chrome "paint". It looked "cheap" and scratched just like regular paint. just my 2 cents. Dave Anderson Cut Bank MT

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:21:23 -0400 From: "David Bilenkey" <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca> To: "Classicrendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]Slotted/oval/racetrack holes on HF Tipo hubs Message-ID: <HBECIOPCNPKEJLCJBKNKGEAMJKAA.dbilenkey@sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <410-2200485132233953@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: dbilenkey@sympatico.ca Message: 17

A further note concerning my question. The hubs I'm referring to are like the ones Nick mentions below (I happen to only have a front laced into a wheel). I looked through all the Campy catalogues and they are always referred to as Nuovo Tipo, from their first appearance in the 1967 catalogue to the 1984 catalogue, and always shown with the round holes right from 1967 on.

As of the 1973 catalogue when Campy starts assembling a Gran Sport group, these hubs are included as a component in the group, but are still always called Nuovo Tipo. As a set they are numbered 1253, as individual hubs they are numbered 1266 for the front and 1267 for the rear. But again all of the images are always the round holed flanges.

I suspect that these are not early (otherwise all the illustrations from the beginning would have likely had these racetrack holes like the Record hubs), nor are they late (given that they have 1970 locknuts). I'd like to know if perhaps they were somehow done as an experiment, for a customer, or as a mistake(?).

I wonder how many there are?

David Bilenkey Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


> -----Original Message-----
> From: nick zatezalo [mailto:nickzz@mindspring.com]
> Sent: August 13, 2004 6:03 PM
> To: David Bilenkey
> Subject: RE: [CR]Slotted/oval/racetrack holes on HF Tipo hubs
>
>
> Dave,
>
> Are these the hubs you are referring to in this post? I called them Gran
> Sport but
> was not real sure if that's what they were. I did not check the lock nuts
> for dates.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item691813346

Nick Zatezalo


> [Original Message]
> From: David Bilenkey <dbilenkey@sympatico.ca>
> To: Classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Date: 8/13/2004 4:14:41 PM
> Subject: [CR]Slotted/oval/racetrack holes on HF Tipo hubs
>
> Having come into one of these hubs I did a search in the archives but
> couldn't see anything conclusive. Was the consensus that these hubs were
> just early Tipo? This particular one is dated 1970. Perhaps the switch to
> round holes was a cost saving measure and helped to visually differentiate
> the Record and Tipo hubs.
>
> Thoughts? Conclusions that I missed? Anything?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David Bilenkey
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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