Re: [CR]Raleigh seatstay treatments

Example: Production Builders:LeJeune

From: "Pete Geurds" <>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Raleigh seatstay treatments
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:57:15 -0400

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> I did not include the Super Course (nor Grand Prix, etc.) in my mention
> earlier because I have not witnessed the copper tacking technique on those models.
> It may have been done, I just have not seen it.
> On less expensive models by some makers, the seat stay top ends are cut &
> crimped and forced into shapes, then kind of filled in with brass (virtually
> never silver) to make a smooth finished product.
> For evidence of the copper tacking on Raleighs, look under & below the seat
> stay caps where it attaches to the seat lug. The Copper doesn't flow like brass
> or silver, so it often (not always) is a lumpy thick accumulation of joining
> material there. Sometimes it is partially filed off. You also find this same
> stuff under the lower edges of the head lugs and bottom bracket shell tips. I
> haven't seen any other maker use this technique...
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, NC
> Dale, Apparently the Super Course was tacked with copper too. I had posted to the Framebuilder's list about finding copper residue under the paint and the chainstay bridge being (apparently) completely joined with copper. Below is the link to Brian Baylis's answer and my original posting:

This was supposed to be a quicky paint job as I doubt this frame is worth a full resto effort. So it will have a paint job by me inflicted upon it. Just interesting what you find under the paint. Turns out the painters were pretty good as the "runs" or funny spots in paint have turned out to be brass rather than paint! To all the "un-brazed Raleigh joint" conspiracy theorists: This one has had brass peeking out of every joint uncovered so far!

Pete Geurds
Douglassville, Pa