BTW, according to weightweenies (http://www.weightweenies.starbike.com/listings/components.php?type=rims) the Ergals were sold at a claimed weight of 290g and the Red labels at 360g; the actual weights for both were very close. Not to go OT, but as you can see from the list some manufacturers are way off on claimed vs. actual weights. Angel Garcia, Long Valley, NJ
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>All I can find is that the Ergals are a few grams lighter...
> Greg Arnold nyc