Long time reader and first time writer.... I enjoy hearing what others have and thought it wass time to sound in.. My first "good" bike was a Hetchins Magnum Bonum purchased from Jerry Collier, he says it was origionally purchesed in the mid 60s, when I was 15. Worked at Riverside Cycly Sport for many years and fondly remember Art Stump driving up in whatever he was currently working on in the car shop.
I now own a 73 Alex Singer full touring equipted with Cyclo rear and Simplex JUY in front. Tan Ideal saddle with Mahe sliding seat pin. Maxicar hubs.
A Robert Ducheron, purchased at his shop in 1975 With full Simplex running gear.
One of the first Masi, California, done for Ron Smith who was one of the origionals.
A Masi 3V with an Aniversery Gruppo, my favorite daily ride.
A Masi "Olympic Special" new still in the box.
Some of the bikes I had and wished I still had are a Gillott fixed gear I bought from Charlie Harding and then sold to Cal Radcliff, does anyone know if he is still around or what happened to his Bikes? and a Curved tube Taylor that had a Williams AB-77 crankset, very nice ride and I never should have sold it.
So much for my first howdy letter,
Craig Celse Riverside California
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Today's Topics:
1. What's in your garage? (Jose Fonseca) 2. Re: re: a man called brian (was re: frame building 101, orsomething like that) (Chuck Schmidt) 3. A few oddments for sale 4. RE: Pink Goodrich! (stevens) 5. Re: What's in your garage/loft/sunroom/bedroom etc etc 6. Re: Mid-life crisis for classic bike (Sheldon Brown) 7. Mid-life crisis for classic bike (Donald Gillies) 8. Cost of a custom frame (Charles Nighbor) 9. RE: What's in your garage/apartment/warehouse? (Steve Birmingham) 10. RE: What's in your garage etc etc (Peter Koskinen) 11. Campagnolo Pedals Wanted (Bradley Woehl) 12. Bicycle Classics website 13. Re: Holdsworth info (was: He's Back....) 14. Re: What's in your garage/apartment/warehouse? (Pete Rutledge) 15. New USPS surcharge? 16. Re: New USPS surcharge? 17. RE: Pink Goodrich!
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:7:24 -0800 From: "Jose Fonseca" <locortjody@earthlink.net> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]What's in your garage? Message-ID: <41200431120723960@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: locortjody@earthlink.net Message: 1
OK, Ok in the spirit of "show me yours and I'll show you mine"..here goes
1. Eisentraut A model..exquisite; a keeper
2. Eisentraut limited. a tad small ,but sexiest bike I own. 1st gen dura ace, blk with cream in the lug cutouts.
3. '71 Cinelli SC. Love the ride, might throw some $$ at this one
4. '82 Cinelli SC. 3 holer with cast BB
3. '84 Cinelli SC. disappointment, but it was cheap
4. '82 Colnago Super. "too nice to ride"
6. Fuso. also "too nice" love the bike though
7. '75 Marinoni. another keeper. a bike that doesn't get much press
8. Pair of Trek 730s 2 serial numbers apart. Fast and little unsophisticated..big-block Camaro of the group
9.'71 Woodrup. My old man's bike. Comfy, classy, I'll die with this one.
10. Early '80's Aelle tubed Guerciotti. SunTour Superbe. I ride this one the most. It gets filthy and I hose it off. Rides a little clunky compared to the others, but fits me great, has lights on it. Added bonus: due to the nature of its ride qualities, I've noticed that cheap tires feel about the same as expensive ones....so it gets the cheap ones.
Jody Fonseca, counting my blessings,
in Whiskey Hill, CA
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:23:14 -0700 From: Chuck Schmidt <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]re: a man called brian (was re: frame building 101, orsomething like that) Message-ID: <40438DA0.E3CCFFB6@earthlink.net> References: <20040301.122157.6112.25.richardsachs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: chuckschmidt@earthlink.net Message: 2
Richard M Sachs wrote:
>
> (cut) you may not want one that
> you can't ride, but that only dictates what you'd buy one for, not
> the market.
> if i were wealthy and in a collecting mood, i'd want a baylis
> (and a confente, and a 60s cinelli, etcetera...) just to appreciate
> the place in time that it was produced. no need to ride it.
I've also pondered what the "market" does with these things.
I have a real NEED to ride these things, and have no use for a bike that's not my size. But you're right, the reality is that very few collectors are riders, so the size of the bike matters not in the least.
Chuck "size matters" Schmidt South Pasadena, Southern California
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:29:01 EST From: Cantiflex@aol.com To: CLASSICRENDEZVOUS@BIKELIST.ORG Subject: [CR]A few oddments for sale Message-ID: <1e6.1a23b9f3.2d74f70d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3
Hi All, Offered to the list first are the following oddments... All are New Old Stock...Priced in Dollars cash only and include postage and packing.
Campag Triple Bottom Bracket Axle complete with end bolts and washers. stamped 70 SS X 3. Measures overall length 124mm.for Italian Bottom Brackets. $50. Pair Campag Gran-Sport Brake Stirrups 'Standard Drop'. Nut fitting 1970s $75 Pair. 3 ODD Mafac rubber half-hoods. 1-green, 1-red,1-black. Complete with adjusters $35 (3) 1 ODD Mafac rubber full-hood. Black Complete with adjuster. $10. 2 Complete sets(8 pieces) Original Mafac braze-on brake/cantilever bosses. Each set consists 2-'AR fronts,2-AV rears. $35 the lot. 1 pair Genuine HETCHINS curly seatstays ..'pencil' thickness. Last pair RARE. $75
Please reply off list. Thanks Ray Etherton freezing in Maldon. UK
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:35:54 -0700 From: "stevens" <stevens@veloworks.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Pink Goodrich! Message-ID: <20040301203554.M4658@veloworks.com> In-Reply-To: <002101c3ffc5$14c411e0$7a7ba8c0@LAPTOPHOME> References: <20040301181323.M56763@bikelugs.com> <002101c3ffc5$14c411e0$7a7ba8c0@LAPTOPHOME> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: stevens@veloworks.com Message: 4
Because these days, there pretty much ain't none ...
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:40:41 -0700, Doug Van Cleve wrote
> Dumb question time folks.
>
> Why would somebody pick these fancy largish lugs and then trim away
> most of the excess and design? I understand the whole "blank
> canvas" idea and certainly want Kirk and all these (you) builders to
> fluorish, but why not pick some lug closer to the final shape as a
> starting point?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug Van Cleve
> Chandler, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Pacenti
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:13 AM
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Cc: internet-bob@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Pink Goodrich!
>
> Enjoy!
>
> http://bikesmithdesign.com/
>
> Kirk Pacenti
> Pacenti Cycle Design
> http://www.bikelugs.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:54:29 EST From: Cantiflex@aol.com To: CLASSICRENDEZVOUS@BIKELIST.ORG Subject: Re: [CR]What's in your garage/loft/sunroom/bedroom etc etc Message-ID: <12c.3c8ba452.2d74fd05@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5
When I can find them.... 1983 Cinelli Corsa c/w Campag 50th Anni'....Superb Ride
1978 Condor 'Hack' Built with French components. Makes nice 'airline' bike..been all-over the place' now.Very smooth easy going ride.
1994 Bates Cantiflex/Diadrant FIXED WHEEL. Built by Ron Cooper..Built with the 'British winter' in mind..ie Stainless steel everything-where-possible. Very responsive ,short wheelbase, but dream to ride.(I only gave Ron Cooper the seat tube size..all else left to him)...He's a star.
1970 Bates Cantiflex/Diadrant Volante Hand-cut lugs 'Touring' machine. Built with all French components. Does exactly what it was designed to do.
1966 Bates Cantiflex/Diadrant Vergrandis. Nervex Pro' Lugs. All Campag components. Excellent 'day rider'/show machine.
1962 Bates Cantiflex/Diadrant Volante Road/Path FIXED WHEEL machine. Nervex Series legere lugs. Built with all English components including Chater-Lea, GB, Dunlop Stainless Steel/Blumfields, even NOS John Bull tyres. Wonderful ride.
1964 Leach-Marathon..Nervex Pro' lugs (my first frame-purchase) Again, all French components including Rod-Operated Simplex, Mafac Top 63s Stronglight 49D,Ideale 90 Saddle etc. Built as 'fast-touring machine. Very nice.
Rare Ladies Bates Cantiflex/Diadrant Sturmey gearing, all English components etc.(The Wife's...not mine !)
Ladies Jack Taylor 'twin-lat' with all French components...also the wifes.
There are FEW more in various states of completion. I have only just found the time to get going again, after having a bike business for a number of years. Ray Etherton Maldon, UK
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:53:39 -0500 From: Sheldon Brown <CaptBike@sheldonbrown.com> To: Shannon Menkveld <shannon.menkveld@cox.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Mid-life crisis for classic bike Message-ID: <p0602040dbc69517f3a49@[10.0.1.11]> In-Reply-To: <FA2FDEC6-6BB2-11D8-B62A-0050E4FA0552@cox.net> References: <FA2FDEC6-6BB2-11D8-B62A-0050E4FA0552@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6
At 11:02 AM -0800 3/1/04, Shannon Menkveld wrote:
>On Monday, March 1, 2004, at 09:40 AM, Robert Kaufmann wrote:
>
>>All:
>>I am now in the process of getting the frame repainted. While doing so, I
>>had a semi mid life crisis. I love my frame and the "classic Campy" but I
>>also still want to go fast (the years of going fast may be limited--I am
>>now 46).
Changing the gears won't make the bike any faster.
>>So, I face a hard choice. I would love to have new wheels
>>(currently I have Campy NR hubs with 36 holes), but the rims available to
>>fit 36 hole hubs are limited.
Huh? The Mavic Open Pro is my favorite high performance rim, and is
readily available in 36.
>>Furthermore, it is difficult to get new 6
>>speed freewheels (as you well know). Alternatively, I can have the rear
>>of the frame "spread" to 130 and buy a whole new drive train; wheels,
>>derailleurs, and crank.
That would be the best option, if you want more gears.
>> But that would cause me to "lose" my Campy stuff,
>>especially the crank.
Huh? That's a complete non-sequitur. The crank doesn't care about
the frame spacing.
>>So, should I have the frame spread and replace nearly everything or is
>>there a good alternative for new wheels with the old 36 hole Campy hubs and
>>the old 120 spacing? Even if I spread the old frame, I would probably buy a
>>used classic frame and put the Campy stuff on it.
>>
>>Please share any similar experience or potential advice.
>
>The cheap way: Buy a new rear wheel, say a Mavic Open Pro on an
>Ultegra hub. (109.99 at Performance, where I work) Put an 8-speed
>cassette on it (. Buy a new chain, I like the Sram PC-58. Add tire
>and tube. RIde bike, most likely at the same speed you ride it now.
I'd go with 9-speed.
>You won't need new rings, 6, 7, and 8 speed all use the same chain.
9-speed chain works fine on older cranks too
>If the rings are worn, any LBS can order Salsa-brand 144 bcd rings
>from QBP, or Peter White or Sheldon Brown can sell you the much
>prettier TAs. Friction shifting 8 speed isn't an issue, and your NR
>derailleur can handle the extra few mm of width.
If you're gonna upgrade the wheel, might as well upgrade the shifting too. Indexing is really nice.
Sheldon "Old Frames, New Parts" Brown
Newtonville, Massachusetts
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:10:32 -0800 (PST) From: Donald Gillies <gillies@cs.ubc.ca> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Mid-life crisis for classic bike Message-ID: <200403012110.NAA23697@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Precedence: list Message: 7
Mavic Open Pro rims are available in 36H in many places around the 'net. It seems they have fixed the loosening nipple problems and you should look no further for a light (425g) new set of rims. MA3's (470g) are also available in 36H aluminum flavor, very similar to MA2.
If a bike is a "rider", i personally favor spreading it to 126 mm. Factory replacement axles for your nuovo record hubs are available from loose screws, or from renaissance cycles, or generic ones for $5 from your local bike shop through wheels manufacturing or whatnot. so don't trash your hubs - just upgrade them to 6/7 speed. Sunrace makes some nice inexpensive 7 speed freewheels that work great. Suntour 7 speed freewheels show up all the time on ebay at outstanding prices, and they never wear out.
There was a discussion that I initiated last summer about running a cassette on a 120 mm rear axle. impossible (EXCEPT if you can find the elusive campag 7-speed cassette hub, one's on british ebay right now.) however, it's fairly easy to run 8 speeds (1 cog removed from a 9 speed) on 7-speed cassette hubs that are still available. Harric Cyclery has some nice shimano 105 cassette hubsets for 126 mm.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
The consensus last summer was that it was not a good idea to cold set or otherwise bend a 120 mm frameset to run 130 mm spacing.
- Don Gillies San Diego, CA ------------------------------
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:14:08 -0800 From: "Charles Nighbor" <cnighbor@pacbell.net> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Cost of a custom frame Message-ID: <010a01c3ffd2$403165a0$f3d57a42@cnighbor> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8
After seeing the life styles of custom bicycle frame builders like Davidson, Balyis, Wynn, Gordon, Litton, Milkensen and others that are involved in the bringing to the market low volume custom frames like Grant Petersen, I can state they are giving us one heck of a bargin in their pricing. I have yet to see a high life stlye with BMW's and other signs of wealth. Like the majority of ARTISTS they give to public fine art at a great bargin. Enjoy those builders and their frames at the bargin they are. As an architect I was under paid and know great art is very underpriced even mine. Charles Nighbor Walnut Creek, CA.
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:34:03 -0500 From: "Steve Birmingham" <sbirmingham@mindspring.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: RE: [CR]What's in your garage/apartment/warehouse? Message-ID: <008e01c3ffd4$eb244c00$6401a8c0@steve> In-Reply-To: <CATFOODWDCIgMpIrn5f00001651@catfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9
Well, here's mine.
# of bikes 37 about 12 on topic only a few nice ones about 6 or so.
Favorite : 1981 Motobecane grand sprint. My first decent bike, and the one I usually ride
#2 Tie 1983 and 1986 US team Team pursuit bikes weird aero stuff, very purpose built. Yes I've ridden both, and wouldn't want to ride them very far or long. But they were only intended to be ridden for about 4- 5 minutes at a time anyway
#3 1930's? or maybe 50's Lewis super club wrong handlebars, but it does have an Osgear setup. Just plain fun to ride. not to mention explaining the gear system.
Steve Birmingham Lowell,Ma
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 06:45:12 GMT From: reilley1@netzero.net To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]What's in your garage/apartment/warehouse? Message-ID: <20040229.224541.501.280088@webmail19.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5
Ok, all this talk about less filling vs tastes great, Campy vs, Whatever, Zen frame building and other items are beyond my tiny little mind. Being a simple and curious man, I need to go back to the basics. I know some of you have quite the collection, but I would like to know the number of bikes you have and your top three favorites with the best distingushing feature--regardless of public opinion (Other than the frameset of course.) On topic bikes please.
I'll start
# of Bikes: 30
#1 Favorite: 1968 Hetchins Italia Best Feature: Criterium "cotterd/cotterless" crank,
#2: 1930s "Unknown" Racer Best feature: Schwinn Paramount Sliding stem
#3: 1977-78 Masi Best Feature: 4 Hole Campy front derailleur Your turn (unless everyone is too grumpy)
Rick Gaytan San Diego, CA
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:50:35 -0500 From: "Peter Koskinen" <Peter@prkbikes.com> To: <CLASSICRENDEZVOUS@BIKELIST.ORG> Subject: RE: [CR]What's in your garage etc etc Message-ID: <001101c3ffd7$3df31c20$81a1d6d1@gateway> In-Reply-To: <12c.3c8ba452.2d74fd05@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10
Ok I have watched this thread for a while and have decided to weigh in..
Favorite On Topic bikes in my Garage-studio.
1. 1980 Masi 3V Prototype. Full Campagnolo
2. 1959 Cinelli. All original equipment
3. 1964 ish Dunelt Road Racer All Campagnolo Nuovo Record
4. 1976 Harry Quinn. All Campagnolo Super Record
5. 1969 Raleigh Pro Built by Carleton Cycles. All Campagnolo NR Pista
6. 1980's early Eddy Merckx. Pantagraphed Campagnolo Super Record
7. 1965 Raleigh Sprite 5 speed ladies bike in the traditional Raleigh Green
8. and one slightly newer than this list may allow for ( My apology to you Dale) 1990 Kestrel MXZ all carbon elevated chain stay mountain bike.
The rest are newer than what Classic Rendezvous would call for.........
Cheers,
Peter Koskinen Almost spring like in Chapel Hill, NC
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:55:32 -0800 From: "Bradley Woehl" <bradley@americancyclery.com> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Campagnolo Pedals Wanted Message-ID: <021901c3ffd7$ec038110$1cedfea9@XPEGGIE> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11
Does anyone have quantitiesof Campagnolo pedals available?: 70's Record Superlegerri or Gran Sport pedals available?
NOS, NIB or good to excellent condition We need either NOS or used in good to excellent condition Campagnolo pedal sets. I am interested in at least 5 pairs of all or any of these types.
Thanks
Bradley Woehl American Cyclery San Francisco, CA 94117 (415) 664-4545 http://www.americancyclery.com
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:58:45 EST From: GPVB1@cs.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Bicycle Classics website Message-ID: <19c.20d84948.2d750c15@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12
Y'all:
The website is still not functional - sorry. There were some issues with it when I took control of it that are still not resolved, and I'm not going to re-launch until they are corrected.
If anyone is a Web Developer familiar with Dreamweaver MX, and is willing to work on this, I'm willing to pay someone to fix things at this point. No one, including Arishost Tech Support, has been of much help thus far.
Thanks,
Greg Parker tired in Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:03:04 EST From: DTSHIFTER@aol.com To: tadams@ns.sympatico.ca, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: Holdsworth info (was: He's Back....) Message-ID: <13.28d6177f.2d750d18@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13
In a message dated 3/1/04 12:37:23 PM, tadams@ns.sympatico.ca writes:
<< I'm looking forward to hearing from all of the Holdsworth people again. Can anyone put me in touch with the guy from the UK that knows all the Holdsworth stuff? >>
Afternoon Thom,
The gentleman is Norman Kilgariff and the Holdsworth History page is:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/
Unless he has changed his ISP he can be reached at: nkilgariff@yahoo.com
Regards,
Chuck Brooks Malta, NY
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:13:30 -0500 From: "Pete Rutledge" <prutledge1@comcast.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]What's in your garage/apartment/warehouse? Message-ID: <0a7001c3ffe2$cfba2300$6500a8c0@TOSHIBA> References: <20040229.224541.501.280088@webmail19.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14
I'm enjoying reading about the bikes in various members' collections. In my garage are only 4 in-timeline (and 2 off-timeline) bikes:
#1 1975 Schwinn Paramount track bike--red like the one I road in 1964-65;
restored in 2003 by me with the right color, decals, and equipment. Tied
for 5th place in Fixed Gear Gallery's 2003 annual competition of best bikes.
See it at: http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/
#2 1972 Schwinn Paramount road bike--red to match the track bike; restored by me in 2003.
#3 1963 Frejus track bike--given to me by my wife in about 1968 to replace the racing bikes I had sold a couple of years earlier. Not restored yet, but probably this year. Has Campy hub/Fiamme rim track wheels with tied & soldered spokes--built for me by "Pop" Kugler/Joe Saling in Somerville, NJ, in about 1964--total cost was something like $35 (or was it $28?)!
#4 1978 Raleigh Super Course--$20 yardsale bike recently repainted to match my '69 Corvette's Monza Red and built up as a fixed gear ride with F.B. hubbed wheels that originally came on the above Frejus.
Pete Rutledge
Woodbridge, VA
>
> Ok, all this talk about less filling vs tastes great, Campy vs, Whatever,
Zen frame building and other items are beyond my tiny little mind. Being a
simple and curious man, I need to go back to the basics. I know some of you
have quite the collection, but I would like to know the number of bikes you
have and your top three
> favorites with the best distingushing feature--regardless of public
opinion (Other than the frameset of course.) On topic bikes please.
>
> I'll start
>
> # of Bikes:
> 30
>
> #1 Favorite:
> 1968 Hetchins Italia
> Best Feature: Criterium "cotterd/cotterless" crank,
>
> #2:
> 1930s "Unknown" Racer
> Best feature: Schwinn Paramount Sliding stem
>
> #3:
> 1977-78 Masi
> Best Feature: 4 Hole Campy front derailleur
> Your turn (unless everyone is too grumpy)
>
> Rick Gaytan
> San Diego, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:47:54 EST From: GPVB1@cs.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]New USPS surcharge? Message-ID: <be.679bfa1.2d7525aa@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15
Hey, here's a new one (at least to me):
I shipped some NOS rims domestically via Priority Mail today. They usually cost about $12 to send. Today, I was charged an additional $8.75 "your box is bigger than 84 inches in girth plus length, but it's under 14 pounds, so we're gonna ding you" surcharge. This is the first time I've encountered this one! They're getting creative....
Should I switch to another carrier for rims, wheels and framesets that can be packed to under 112" but are 84" or greater?
Greg Parker Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:53:35 EST From: ABikie@aol.com To: GPVB1@cs.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]New USPS surcharge? Message-ID: <3c.3bcc4857.2d7526ff@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16
In a message dated 3/1/04 6:48:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, GPVB1@cs.com writes: one (at least to me):
I shipped some NOS rims domestically via Priority Mail today. They usually cost about $12 to send. Today, I was charged an additional $8.75 "your box is bigger than 84 inches in girth plus length, but it's under 14 pounds, so we're gonna ding you" surcharge. This is the first time I've encountered this one! They're getting creative....
Should I switch to another carrier for rims, wheels and framesets that can be packed to under 112" but are 84" or greater?
Greg Parker Ann Arbor, Michigan Why not get the package down to 80" or under? UPS charges you for 30# even for an empty box over 80" they charge for 70# if it's over 108"
and if it's over 130, actual weight (min 70#) plus a $50 mandatory tip
Larry Black Mt airy, Md
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 23:56:39 GMT From: brianbaylis@juno.com To: dvancleve@cox.net Cc: internet-bob@bikelist.org Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]Pink Goodrich! Message-ID: <20040301.155714.3565.683843@webmail16.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17
Doug,
You ask a valid question. Why do anyhing out of the ordinary at all? Whay start with this or that. In the world of "custom framebuilding" there are usually an infinite number of options one might have at their disposal for accomplishing the goal of making a precise handeling machine, that fits well, will last a VERY long time with proper care, and give the owner the pleasure of knowing that their bike truely is "one-of-a-kind" and was indeed built just for them and for a specific purpose which they specified.
Just for a quick example of a custom frame as opposed to a made to measure frame, for example, would be the situation of Curt Goodrich. Curt does both quite excellently. He is the same builder, but each bike is undertaken with a different purpose and therefore different internal attitude towards the bike. He will apply his skills to the best of his ability dependent on his intentions. When making the made to measure frames, although there are "personal touches and options" that may still be within the perameters of the Rivendell frame boundries; there still limitations from various directions.
A Curt Goodrich frame, as seen by the example of the beautiful pink frame just completed, is a prime example of a custom frame. I'm sure the customer stated the purpose for the bike, and Curt designed the frame according to his own experience and philosophy. They agreed upon the braze ons and other functional features, the position the rider was seeking, and finally the aesthetic points of the frame; and the result is what you. Personally, I like this simpler but more elegent styling of the Pacenti lugs on this frame as compared to some earlier ones I've seen. Kirks' lugs are especiall inspirational and supportive of these graceful lines. Sure, there's lots of chopping, but when the end result is as pleasing as the lug shape, chrome contrast and sharp polishing, and brialliant and expressive thin paint, you have a winning combination. Also a nice pair of hand made seat stay caps indicate and showcase style in addition to being very well designed for durability. That's how custom frames are made. You have lots of options for lugs, and almost anything else you want, and the builder will guide you towards all the correct desicions. I will expand on this later, but the example of Curts' work and the distinction is ideal. Furthermore, which would I prefer? The answer is obvious. What will cost more, the answer is obvious. Same man, different bike. The more of the man in the bike, the more desireable I see it as being. It takes work to put it there and the builder decides how much to put in each time. How much or how long it takes varies from person to person, and it's not the point. Nonetheless, the point IS in there, as we will discuss.
Brian Baylis
La Mesa, CA
Dumb question time folks.
Why would somebody pick these fancy largish lugs and then trim away most of the excess and design? I understand the whole "blank canvas" idea and certainly want Kirk and all these (you) builders to fluorish, but why not pick some lug closer to the final shape as a starting point?
Thanks,
Doug Van Cleve Chandler, AZ
-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Pacenti Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:13 AM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Cc: internet-bob@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Pink Goodrich!
Enjoy!
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Kirk Pacenti Pacenti Cycle Design http://www.bikelugs.com
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