As a lad growing up in Leicester England Sid Mottram was one of the local bike shops with a good reputation. I recently saw a frame on e- bay that was supposed to have been hand built by Sid. To my recollection he did not build frames but rather had them built. His name was attached after the fact. At the time (late sixties) I think there were a number of bike stores using the same idea. Does anyone know who was building the frames? .. also I would dearly love to own a Mottram if there are any out there. Rob Williams Sunny afternoon in Seattle -- ISOMEDIA.COM - Premium Internet Services. http://www.isomedia.com