Re: [CR]ebay fraud?

> I noticed a possible ebay fraud.
> Yesterday, a set of Campy Cobalto calipers sold for the princely sum of
> $202.49
> http://ebay.com/<blah>
> eName=STRK:MEWA:IT
> I recall those as having cursive lettering and a lager pivot bolt
> without any knurling.
> Should I give the buyer a heads-up?
> I am also surprised at the price, as I have seen NOS examples go for
> less than $190.00
>
> Tucker Bunch
> Houston, TX
>
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. RE: 69/70 white Raleigh Pro on eBay - (Douglas Morrell)
> 2. Re: Brooks teases us again
> 3. Re: 1971 Colnago Track Frame
> 4. Re: 1971 Colnago Track Frame (brianbaylis@juno.com)
> 5. Re: CYCLUS TOOLING 2nd time around. (renaissance-cycles)
> 6. Marcel and Giorgio Tinazzi
> 7. For sale: full shimano 600 super sport (marc garcia)
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> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:55:36 -0500
> From: "Douglas Morrell" <dmorrell@nomise.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: RE: [CR]69/70 white Raleigh Pro on eBay -
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> Greg:
> The "F" serial number should put it in 1971. But I'm not sure I can put
> a lot of faith in other Raleigh "rules-of-thumb" to comment on your
> component mix, although retroraleighs.com shows the 1970 version with
> full Campy.
>
> Doug Morrell
> St Louis MO
>
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> Subject: Re:[CR]69/70 white Raleigh Pro on ebay -
>
> So when did the Pros switch from centerpull to sidepull brakes? And what
> year is my F1668 (brown/mink) Mk II Pro from? 1969? 1970? 1971? It has a
> Brampton seat cluster, chrome, and Campy sidepulls. Greg Parker Ann
> Arbor, Michigan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:00:57 EDT
> From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Re: Brooks teases us again
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> <A
> HREF="http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/tech/shows/?id=eurobike/par
> t3/eb04-brooks1">www.cyclingnews.com presents On Show 2004</A>
>
> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, NC
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:53:14 EDT
> From: FujiFish1@aol.com
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Cc: Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com
> Subject: Re: [CR]1971 Colnago Track Frame
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> No help on the subject form me, but I do have an add on question to
> those in
> the know. Could this Tinazzi be the Tinazzi that raced for Torpado in
> Italy
> in the late 1950s? I have a scanned PIC of him in a Torpado squad photo
> that I
> can email out. Thanks for the info.
>
> Also, wasn't there some change in the "foot" of the Colnago club/flower,
>
> where it went from flat bottomed to convex, or vice-versa?
>
> Ciao,
> Mark Agree
> Southfield MI
> ~ ~ ~
>
> In a message dated 9/13/2004 9:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:59:08 +0100
> From: "Norris Lockley" <Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]1971 Colnago Track Frame
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> I'm not sufficiently clued up early Colnagos to be able to comment on =
> this particular machine, and cannot remember unfortunately when Colnago
> started engraving his top-eyes etc Did he do it from the = first frame..
> I doubt it.
>
> However I've always hankered after an early "ernesto" from th 70s, a bit
> = like the one Saronni used to ride - just that red flam, chrome forks
> and = those white panelled decals. some weeks ago I spotted a "Velo de
> Course" = on French ebay.. going for very few euros indeed... and it was
> my size. = I followed the auction with interest, thinking whatevere the
> red and = chrome bike might be it just had to be a bargain...With only a
> little = time left i sent an email ti the seller asking what "marque"
> the bike = was. his rapid reply said "Colnago" I was quite overwhelmed..
>
> knowing that I was about to leave for France within a couple of days I =
> decided to bid on the bike and, if succesfsful, have it sent from =
> Marseille to my caravan in Provence, about two hours away by wagon. I =
> won the auction and it was with a great and overwhelming sense of =
> anticipation that I opened the HUGE cardboard box..
>
> At first glance I had obtained my objective.. a resplendent flam ruby =
> and chrome Colnago shone in the rays of the Provencal sun..but that =
> world-renowned type face did not spell out Colnago... but Tinazzi. =
> Tinazzi the former French pro has a tio shop just outside Marseill at =
> Aubagne,famous throughout thre world as the setting for Marcel Pagnols =
> poignant novels..
>
> studying the frame I noticed the clover-leaf cut-out in the down =
> tube-head tube lug, couldn't find any engraving on either the fork crown
> = or top-eyes, but turning the bike upside down rejoiced at seeing the =
> large Colnago motif cut out of the bracket shell.
>
> My joy was short-lived as I was certain that this frame was no Colnago =
> but a very subtle copy .. and well executed ...The "give-away" is that =
> the foot of the trefoil is not flat but slightly radiused downwards.. =
> not too much .. but sufficient not to breach Colnago's registered =
> design. Clearly the seller had been duped... Other cyclists on the
> caravan site thought it to be original... but I am = not too sure.. but
> it's a nice frame anyway.. The final word will rest = with M. Tinazzi...
> if he ever replies to my email.
>
> Can anyone help out here.. could it actually be a genuine Ernesto..?
>
> Norris Lockley...just reflectong on the thought that if you can't =
> convince them you should confuse them, as my old Prof. used to =
> say..Settle UK
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:02:01 GMT
> From: "brianbaylis@juno.com" <brianbaylis@juno.com>
> To: FujiFish1@aol.com
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Cc: Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com
> Subject: Re: [CR]1971 Colnago Track Frame
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>
> Mark,
>
> What I can say about the shape of the Colnago Flower, is that it can
> take on almost any shape you can imagine and still be the club. Even on
> the same bike, I have clubs with flat bottom, pointed bottom, concave
> and convex bottom; all on the same bike and speaking of only the
> cutouts. Seems like most of the graphics have a flat bottom.
>
> So those who are planning to attend the Velo Rendezvous comming up and
> have an affection for Colnago (that would include me!), I hope to have a
> special surprise to share. Book your trip now!
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
>
> -- FujiFish1@aol.com wrote:
> No help on the subject form me, but I do have an add on question to
> those in
> the know. Could this Tinazzi be the Tinazzi that raced for Torpado in
> Italy
> in the late 1950s? I have a scanned PIC of him in a Torpado squad photo
> that I
> can email out. Thanks for the info.
>
> Also, wasn't there some change in the "foot" of the Colnago club/flower,
>
> where it went from flat bottomed to convex, or vice-versa?
>
> Ciao,
> Mark Agree
> Southfield MI
> ~ ~ ~
>
> In a message dated 9/13/2004 9:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> classicrendezvous-request@bikelist.org writes:
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:59:08 +0100
> From: "Norris Lockley" <Norris.Lockley@btopenworld.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: [CR]1971 Colnago Track Frame
> Message-ID: <000a01c4992c$f42d5980$01c18351@oemcomputer>
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>
> I'm not sufficiently clued up early Colnagos to be able to comment on =
> this particular machine, and cannot remember unfortunately when Colnago
> started engraving his top-eyes etc Did he do it from the = first frame..
> I doubt it.
>
> However I've always hankered after an early "ernesto" from th 70s, a bit
> = like the one Saronni used to ride - just that red flam, chrome forks
> and = those white panelled decals. some weeks ago I spotted a "Velo de
> Course" = on French ebay.. going for very few euros indeed... and it was
> my size. = I followed the auction with interest, thinking whatevere the
> red and = chrome bike might be it just had to be a bargain...With only a
> little = time left i sent an email ti the seller asking what "marque"
> the bike = was. his rapid reply said "Colnago" I was quite overwhelmed..
>
> knowing that I was about to leave for France within a couple of days I =
> decided to bid on the bike and, if succesfsful, have it sent from =
> Marseille to my caravan in Provence, about two hours away by wagon. I =
> won the auction and it was with a great and overwhelming sense of =
> anticipation that I opened the HUGE cardboard box..
>
> At first glance I had obtained my objective.. a resplendent flam ruby =
> and chrome Colnago shone in the rays of the Provencal sun..but that =
> world-renowned type face did not spell out Colnago... but Tinazzi. =
> Tinazzi the former French pro has a tio shop just outside Marseill at =
> Aubagne,famous throughout thre world as the setting for Marcel Pagnols =
> poignant novels..
>
> studying the frame I noticed the clover-leaf cut-out in the down =
> tube-head tube lug, couldn't find any engraving on either the fork crown
> = or top-eyes, but turning the bike upside down rejoiced at seeing the =
> large Colnago motif cut out of the bracket shell.
>
> My joy was short-lived as I was certain that this frame was no Colnago =
> but a very subtle copy .. and well executed ...The "give-away" is that =
> the foot of the trefoil is not flat but slightly radiused downwards.. =
> not too much .. but sufficient not to breach Colnago's registered =
> design. Clearly the seller had been duped... Other cyclists on the
> caravan site thought it to be original... but I am = not too sure.. but
> it's a nice frame anyway.. The final word will rest = with M. Tinazzi...
> if he ever replies to my email.
>
> Can anyone help out here.. could it actually be a genuine Ernesto..?
>
> Norris Lockley...just reflectong on the thought that if you can't =
> convince them you should confuse them, as my old Prof. used to =
> say..Settle UK
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:53:06 +0200
> From: renaissance-cycles <info@renaissance-cycles.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR]CYCLUS TOOLING 2nd time around.
> Message-ID: <002601c499b2$248d3980$9600000a@user8750ybcqcn>
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> <001101c48a55$bdd96210$0a00a8c0@ware>
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> Hi All!
>
> Several list CRers has been asking about Cyclus tooling so decided to
> send it to the list one more time with a few updates.
>
> DO NOTE: This offer is good until the end of the month 9 / 30 / 04.
>
> Tooling offer is of tools that used for the repairs of bicycles that
> fits into the timeline of the CR LIST! If other CYCLUS tools are of
> interest then do let us know and I'll see what we can do. BTW: This is
> the time to acquier these types of tooling. Once in the U.S the cost
> will be jumping quite a bit over our the current prices on our site @
> http://www.renaissance-cycles.com . It's fair to say we might be seeing a 25%
> increase of these tools once they are imported into the U.S.
>
> Here' the list...................................All tools are in stock.
> (1) # 720001, Steer tube threading tool, 1" $ 55.- .......... Regular
> list $ 79.50
>
> (2) # 720003, Fork crown race cutter 1" - 26.4 mm $ 50.-
> .............Regular list $ 74.50
>
> ( 2-A ) # 720048, fork crown race cutter 27.0 $ 50.-
> Regular list $ 74.50
>
> (3) # 720005, Head tube reamer/ facing tool 1" $ 79.-
> ....................Regular list $ 119.50
>
> ( 3-A ) # 720025, 1'' reamer / facer cutter only $ 74.-
>
> ( 3-B ) # 720026, 1 1/8'' reamer / facer only $ 74.-
>
> (4) # 720007, Bottom bracket facing tool with English and Italian
> threaded guides $ 79.-.......Regular list $ 119.50
>
> (5) # 720008, Bottom bracket threading tool, English $ 55.-
> .....................Regular list $ 79.50
>
> ( 5-A ) # 720140 Bottom bracket ENGLISH threading tool. Pro set with 6
> lines of cutters $ 89.- Regular list $ 125.-
>
> (6) # 720029, Bottom bracket threading tool, Italian $
> 55.-...................Regular list $ 79.50
>
> ( 6-A ) 72041, Bottom bracket ITALIAN threading tool. Pro set with 6
> lines of cutters $ 89.- Regular list $ 125.-
>
>
> (7) # 720009, Headset press $ 28.-.......................Regular list $
> 54.-
>
> 8) # 720010, Gear hanger alignment tool $ 23.- ..............Regular
> list $ 34.50
>
> (9) # 720011, Drop out Alignment tools (Pair!) $ 38.-
> .............Regular list $ 54.50
>
> (10) # 720012, Fork Crown Race fitting tool $
> 23.-....................Regular list $ 34.50
>
> (11) # 720013, Fixed head cup removal tool $
> 24.-....................Regular list $ 35.-
>
> ( 12 ) # 720097, 27.2 seat tube reamer $ 28.-
>
> ( 13 ) # 720096, 27.0 seat tube reamer $ 28.-
>
> ( 14 ) # 720095, 26.8 seat tube reamer $ 28.-
>
> ( 16 ) # 720094, 26.2 seat tube reamer $ 28.-
>
> ( 17 ) # 720061, seat tube reamer handle $ 32.-
>
> ( 18 ) # 720057, Axle vice $ 24.-
> Regular list $ 29.50.
>
> ( 19 ) # 720031, frame guage ( Steel handle ) NoWHIMPY alloy handle! $
> 24.- Regular list $ 29.-.............Beware S/H will be some what on the
> high side.
>
> If in need of pricing on another Cyclus tool item let me know and I'll
> see what I can do for you. Payment, Paypal is best but we'll take CC# as
> well! Let me know, till then you all have a great day.
>
> BC
> Baron C...........And the gang!!
> Renaissance-Cycles
> Eindhoven, Holland
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:03:04 +0000
> From: themaaslands@comcast.net
> To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org (Classic Rendezvous)
> Subject: [CR]Marcel and Giorgio Tinazzi
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> Mark asked:
>
> > No help on the subject form me, but I do have an add on question to
> > those in
> > the know. Could this Tinazzi be the Tinazzi that raced for Torpado in
> Italy
> > in the late 1950s? I have a scanned PIC of him in a Torpado squad
> photo that I
> > can email out. Thanks for the info.
>
>
> The fellow that Norris wrote about is the French rider who was born in
> Algeria: Marcel Tinazzi. I saw him when he won the motor-paced
> Bordeaux-Paris race in 1982. He left quite an impression as he arrived
> in Paris after such a long race. He didn't even seem overly tired.
> Marcel raced as a pro from 1977-1986.
>
> The fellow that Mark is asking about is Marcel's uncle the Italian rider
> who was born in Italy: Giorgio Tinazzi. Unfortunately, Giorgio passed
> away 5 days after his 46th birthday in 1982. He did indeed race for one
> season (1959) with Torpado. His best season was 1960 when he won both
> the Giro di Sicilia and the giro di Romandia.
> --
> Steven Maasland
> Moorestown, NJ
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: marc garcia <marcgarcia80@ameritech.net>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]For sale: full shimano 600 super sport
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> I picked up a early to mid 80's schwinn super sport that I thought I
> would part out but it's just too nice to break up. It's a small frame
> around 48,49 cm. So it would be perfect a shorter person, maybe your
> wife or for a child. It's in great shape, very clean, it's an off white
> pearlescent finish. I wanted the complete shimano 600 groupo on it.
> Derailleurs and shifters are the arabesque kind, 600 cranks (170), 600
> side pull brakes and levers with great supple black hoods, 600 sealed
> hubs laced to weinmann aero rims, it even has a 600 sealed headset as
> well as a beautiful pair of 600 pedals (aero design) with the hard to
> find toe clips. It's a selle italia saddle with a sr post, stem and bars
> are french, Belleri I believe is the brand. The stem is quite nice,
> silky smooth finish. The frame is free of decals, it does have the
> schwinn super sport headbadge. I don't think that this is a repaint
> because it looks like a finish I've seen on other schwinns fo the time.
> Maybe it was orginally bought as a frameset? I also believe that these
> were made with columbus tubing. It's a 12 speed btw.
>
> I was about to tear it down when I decided to take it for a spin first.
> It's a great ride, I"ve been tempted to keep it and just get a longer
> seat post for it. I believe at the time it was made it was 2nd or 3rd
> in the schwinn lineup. It's definately a sport/race bike. No eyelets for
> fenders or racks, two sets of braze ons for water bottles and even came
> with a paramount water bottle holder.
>
> I would like to see this go to someone who is going to ride it and
> appreciate it and not someone who is going to part it out (I could do
> that myself and use the parts). I'm asking what I paid for it, 200.00
> plus shipping. Let me know if you have any questions.
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/marcgarcia80@ameritech.net/album?.dir=c83a
> &.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/marcgarcia
> 80@ameritech.net/my_photos
> There's a link to some pics.
>
> marc garcia
> chicago IL
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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