> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:52:25 +0100 (BST)
> From: Michael Butler <pariscycles@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Rally Dates
> To: Jan Heine <heine93@earthlink.net>
>
> Dear Jan,
> I am sure this gear came out in 1972 intially on the
> Italian home market. Positive the first time I saw
> it
> fitted was on a 72 Jack Taylor tandem at a show that
> year. They were readily availabe in the UK from 73
> onwards. So this is what I think I recollect and
> have
> written down in my diaries, could be way off target,
> 1972-1986 Super Record for racing and Rally for
> touring. The Rally derailleur was more or less the
> first true touring derailleur offered by Campagnolo
> (there was an earlier steel "Dreadnought" of a gear
> called the Gran Turismo) and was often sold in Italy
> and England with a Nuovo Record front plate. The
> Super
> Record was lightened by use of Titanium parts and
> was
> a slightly updated version of the Nuovo Record.
> Best wishes Mick Hunts. UK.
>
> --- Jan Heine <heine93@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > The enigmatic Campagnolo Rally again. Working on a
> > VBQ article, I am
> > trying to figure out when this derailleur was
> made.
> > I looked through
> > the archives, but can't find the answer to my
> > questions...
> >
> > 1. When was the first generation Campy Rally (two
> > spring-loaded
> > pivots, "CAMPAGNOLO" cast into upper body) first
> > introduced?
> >
> > 2. When was the third and final generation Rally
> > introduced (looks
> > like a Nuovo Record/Gran Sport with long cage).
> >
> > Here is the data so far:
> >
> > I. Chuck Schmidt's excellent Campagnolo timeline
> > mentions a Rally
> > derailleur in 1974, and a "Gran Sport Rally"
> > derailleur in 1982. One
> > might assume a 1974 date for the first generation
> > Rally. Is the Gran
> > Sport Rally the 3rd version?
> >
> > II. Frank Berto's "The Dancing Chain" mentions the
> > 1974 Rally on page
> > 208, indicating it was "similar to the Shimano
> > Titlist. It had two
> > spring-loaded pivots." This seems to corroborate
> > Chuck's information.
> > (Of course, both might have drawn on the same
> > source, the 1974
> > Campagnolo catalogue - is it possible the
> derailleur
> > was available
> > before, but didn't make it into catalogue until
> > 1974? The timeline
> > does not show catalogues for 1972 and 1973...)
> >
> > III. Possibly contradicting this, Frank Berto's
> "The
> > Dancing Chain"
> > mentions the "Rally 3550" derailleur introduced in
> > 1974, "using the
> > cage and the parallelogram of the old Rally and
> the
> > upper body of the
> > Nuovo Gran Sport," indicating that this already
> was
> > the third
> > version! (p. 248)
> >
> > The same page has a photo of "Campagnolo's rear
> > derailleurs as of
> > 1982," clearly showing the third generation Rally
> > (looks like a Nuovo
> > Record/Gran Sport with long cage).
> >
> > IV. According to John Bernhart's article in the
> > Vintage Bicycle
> > Racing Newsletter 11 (August 1995), the 1973
> Schwinn
> > catalogue shows
> > the Gran Turismo for the Schwinn Paramount
> touring
> > bikes. Bernhart
> > goes on to say that this terrible derailleur was
> > replaced in 1973 by
> > a Shimano Crane GS - indicating that the Rally was
> > not yet available.
> > The 1977 Schwinn catalogue does show the Rally.
> >
> > So here is what we know:
> >
> > 1. Campy Rally does not appear to have been
> > available in 1973, when
> > Schwinn used Gran Turismo and Shimano derailleurs.
> > 2. Campy Rally (presumably first version) was
> > available in 1974 (at
> > least shown in catalogue).
> > 3. Campy Rally 3rd version was available by 1982.
> >
> > From the above, I would conclude that Berto's
> > second mention is an
> > error, and that the timeline for the Campagnolo
> > Rally is as follows:
> >
> > - 1974: 1st generation Rally introduced.
> >
> > - sometime between 1974 and 1982: 2nd generation
> >
> > - sometime between 1974 and 1982: 3rd generation
> >
> > Does anybody have further info? Those Schwinn
> > catalogues might be
> > useful, as one can assume they showed the latest
> > stuff (plus/minus a
> > year - remember that these catalogues are made the
> > year before the
> > bikes go on sale, when many of the components are
> > not yet available.
> > If the change is minor, bolting a "previous model"
> > onto the bike is
> > easier than trying to get a prototype out of
> > Campagnolo for
> > photography.)
> > --
> > Jan Heine, Seattle
> > Editor/Publisher
> > Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
> > c/o Il Vecchio Bicycles
> > 140 Lakeside Ave, Ste. C
> > Seattle WA 98122
> > http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com
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> Thats all for now. Keep those wheels spinning, in
> your memories if not still on the road. Be lucky
> Mick Butler Huntingdon UK.
>
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Thats all for now. Keep those wheels spinning, in your memories if not still on the road. Be lucky Mick Butler Huntingdon UK.
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