Dear Mick,
Interesting. Maybe Schwinn had enough Gran Turismos lying around that they kept putting them onto bikes until customers really complained?
Anybody: Are there any bike show reports from that era that might help? My documentation mostly covers France and the earlier years...
Best,
Jan
> > Dear Jan,
>> I am sure this gear came out in 1972 intially on the
>> Italian home market. Positive the first time I saw
>> it
>> fitted was on a 72 Jack Taylor tandem at a show that
>> year. They were readily availabe in the UK from 73
>> onwards. So this is what I think I recollect and
>> have
>> written down in my diaries, could be way off target,
>> 1972-1986 Super Record for racing and Rally for
>> touring. The Rally derailleur was more or less the
>> first true touring derailleur offered by Campagnolo
>> (there was an earlier steel "Dreadnought" of a gear
>> called the Gran Turismo) and was often sold in Italy
>> and England with a Nuovo Record front plate. The
>> Super
>> Record was lightened by use of Titanium parts and
>> was
>> a slightly updated version of the Nuovo Record.
>> Best wishes Mick Hunts. UK.
>>
>> --- Jan Heine <heine93@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> > The enigmatic Campagnolo Rally again. Working on a
>> > VBQ article, I am
>> > trying to figure out when this derailleur was
>> made.
>> > I looked through
>> > the archives, but can't find the answer to my
>> > questions...
>> >
>> > 1. When was the first generation Campy Rally (two
>> > spring-loaded
>> > pivots, "CAMPAGNOLO" cast into upper body) first
>> > introduced?
>> >
>> > 2. When was the third and final generation Rally
>> > introduced (looks
>> > like a Nuovo Record/Gran Sport with long cage).
>> >
>> > Here is the data so far:
>> >
>> > I. Chuck Schmidt's excellent Campagnolo timeline
>> > mentions a Rally
>> > derailleur in 1974, and a "Gran Sport Rally"
>> > derailleur in 1982. One
>> > might assume a 1974 date for the first generation
>> > Rally. Is the Gran
>> > Sport Rally the 3rd version?
>> >
>> > II. Frank Berto's "The Dancing Chain" mentions the
>> > 1974 Rally on page
>> > 208, indicating it was "similar to the Shimano
>> > Titlist. It had two
>> > spring-loaded pivots." This seems to corroborate
>> > Chuck's information.
>> > (Of course, both might have drawn on the same
>> > source, the 1974
>> > Campagnolo catalogue - is it possible the
>> derailleur
>> > was available
>> > before, but didn't make it into catalogue until
>> > 1974? The timeline
>> > does not show catalogues for 1972 and 1973...)
>> >
>> > III. Possibly contradicting this, Frank Berto's
>> "The
>> > Dancing Chain"
>> > mentions the "Rally 3550" derailleur introduced in
>> > 1974, "using the
>> > cage and the parallelogram of the old Rally and
>> the
>> > upper body of the
>> > Nuovo Gran Sport," indicating that this already
>> was
>> > the third
>> > version! (p. 248)
>> >
>> > The same page has a photo of "Campagnolo's rear
> > > derailleurs as of
> > > 1982," clearly showing the third generation Rally
> > > (looks like a Nuovo
> > > Record/Gran Sport with long cage).
> > >
> > > IV. According to John Bernhart's article in the
>> > Vintage Bicycle
>> > Racing Newsletter 11 (August 1995), the 1973
>> Schwinn
>> > catalogue shows
>> > the Gran Turismo for the Schwinn Paramount
>> touring
>> > bikes. Bernhart
>> > goes on to say that this terrible derailleur was
>> > replaced in 1973 by
>> > a Shimano Crane GS - indicating that the Rally was
>> > not yet available.
>> > The 1977 Schwinn catalogue does show the Rally.
>> >
>> > So here is what we know:
>> >
>> > 1. Campy Rally does not appear to have been
>> > available in 1973, when
>> > Schwinn used Gran Turismo and Shimano derailleurs.
>> > 2. Campy Rally (presumably first version) was
>> > available in 1974 (at
>> > least shown in catalogue).
>> > 3. Campy Rally 3rd version was available by 1982.
>> >
>> > From the above, I would conclude that Berto's
>> > second mention is an
>> > error, and that the timeline for the Campagnolo
>> > Rally is as follows:
> > >
>> > - 1974: 1st generation Rally introduced.
>> >
>> > - sometime between 1974 and 1982: 2nd generation
>> >
>> > - sometime between 1974 and 1982: 3rd generation
>> >
>> > Does anybody have further info? Those Schwinn
>> > catalogues might be
>> > useful, as one can assume they showed the latest
>> > stuff (plus/minus a
>> > year - remember that these catalogues are made the
>> > year before the
>> > bikes go on sale, when many of the components are
>> > not yet available.
>> > If the change is minor, bolting a "previous model"
>> > onto the bike is
>> > easier than trying to get a prototype out of
>> > Campagnolo for
>> > photography.)
>> > --
>> > Jan Heine, Seattle
>> > Editor/Publisher
>> > Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
>> > c/o Il Vecchio Bicycles
>> > 140 Lakeside Ave, Ste. C
>> > Seattle WA 98122
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>> Thats all for now. Keep those wheels spinning, in
>> your memories if not still on the road. Be lucky
>> Mick Butler Huntingdon UK.
>>
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>
>Thats all for now. Keep those wheels spinning, in your memories if
>not still on the road. Be lucky Mick Butler Huntingdon UK.