--- "richardsachs@juno.com" <richardsachs@juno.com>
wrote:
>
> <josephbstarck@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >what kind of "goof"
> >qualifies as return-worthy,
> "I erred on some brake bridge placements on a couple
> Hollands -- major goofs -- I added some checks after
> these expensive goofs. And when my work went into
> paint, the painters would occasionally alert me to
> things, and I became more attentive as a result."
>
> === === ===
> thanks for setting the record straight;
Oh my, introductory intonation from Richard, will he
go one way or the other, lets see...
>now i
> understand
> the bar of quality you're trying to stay above.
Twice!
> you sold a guy a frame on which you've discovered a
> brazing
> error in the bridge placement and you rectified it,
> re-brazed
> in another one, and passed it off as a "new" frame?
I didn't sell frames. I was a subcontractor for others
and for an initial seven years, an employee of Bill
Holland. Others sold the frames. In one of my examples
of "return-worthy," "a couple Hollands" were received
by Holland dealers, and when they realized they had a
brake reach problem, BUMMER FOR EVERYONE. The frames
came back, I replaced the bridges, the paint was
fixed, and the dealers then received the frames. I
don't know to what extent the dealer or customers were
compensated, so you, Richard, should not have accused
anyone of having "passed it off as a 'new' frame."
> i could
> not conceive of ever rebrazing a joint, or replacing
> a
> bridge on a frame without considering it a "repair".
> iow,
> that kind of stuff is unconscienceable (sp?).
Every frame I made ultimately left my hands with
innate integrity. I have no doubt that I have much
more experience repairing frames than you do, so
"rebrazing a joint" aint no big thing to me, it
doesn't scare me. It's my call if I want to touch up a
lug edge with the torch, and I'll do so if needed,
because, I'm not into passing off gaps and file marks
to the painter. I think it's unconscionable to pass
off things for a painter to take care of, and I think
it's unconscionable to act hysterical about
"rebrazing;" the frame doesn't suffer from quick
precision of a flame, and aesthetics are improved.
Now, Richard, are you going to exagerate my words
again and claim all my frames have been re-worked,
when, IN FACT, they rarely required it?
> how you can endorse this as "acceptable" while
> commenting on the standards of another's metalwork
> is, well, beyond me.
It's acceptable, and expected, to do what it takes to make a thing right, such that the thing has integrity. The HOLLANDS are fine. Your NAGASAWA isn't.
Joe Starck, masidon, wi
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