Re: [CR]FAQ: What make is this green tourer?

(Example: Framebuilders:Bernard Carré)

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:34:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]FAQ: What make is this green tourer?
To: Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <87y7yv90h7.fsf@209-204-185-105.dsl.static.sonic.net>
cc: Robert Schenker <ris@schenkerdesign.com>

This doesn't look at all French to me. More likely British or a small American builder. I'm guessing that you'll find that the threading is English. I've never seen seatstays cut like that before. That seems pretty unique, and probably the best chance of identifying the frame.

Regards,

Jerry Moos Big Spring, TX

Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org> wrote: I apologize for adding to the din. I have recently picked up a "French touring bike" with what a nice green metallic respray and no decals. I would like to know what make the frameset is, and maybe when it was made. Here are pics:

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/green_tourer

It's got an approximately 60cm seat tube, I haven't yet done any other measurements. Components are an interesting mix:

Campagnolo steel headset SR bar, stem, seatpost and pedals Phil Wood hubs, Rigida 1320 27" clincher rims, Avocet quick releases, 36 3x DT spokes f & r (still remnants of a Phil Wood sticker on the rear hub) Specialized Touring II 27x1 tires Ideale 90 saddle Galli sidepulls and levers with drop bolt rear TA triple cranks and bb (half-step + granny) Suntour Cyclone long cage rear and band-on front derailleurs, Campagnolo NR downtube shiftsers Eclipse handlebar bag thorn scrapers and a front wheel grabber to keep it from jackknifing Didn't catch chain, cassette, bottle cage, toe clip or strap makes.

Frame has very interesting scallopped, square-cut seat stays at the seat tube, Campagnolo drop-outs with eyelets front and rear, semi-sloping fork crown. Braze-ons are; top-tube cable guides, bottle cages, big old L-shaped pump peg, shifters, cable guides on top of the bb shell, rear derailleur housing stop. Haven't yet checked frame and fork threading. Geometry looks... sport-tourer? It has long-ish chainstays. There's a serial number (297X or 297XX) on the drive-side rear drop-out, but no markings on the bottom bracket shell.

What is this bike? The component set is eclectic, seems like it could have been individually sourced. Guy I bought it from didn't know much about it. (I had a non-bikie friend pick it up, so got very little information.)

Thanks,

Morgan -- Morgan Fletcher, morgan@hahaha.org Oakland, CA, USA