Re: RE: [CR]Dating Simplex vertical dropouts

(Example: Framebuilders:Chris Pauley)

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:52:36 -0400
From: <joebz@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: RE: [CR]Dating Simplex vertical dropouts
In-reply-to: <BAY115-F2FBB2D0415DB382936BFBBFB20@phx.gbl>
To: neil foddering <neilfoddering@hotmail.com>
References: <001e01c66aa2$792b87e0$02cb6851@nonefpfvwek4mv>
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

>From the Peugeot catalogs that are on the Peugeot Show site the first pictures showing what I would call the horizontal dropouts are in the 1952 catalog. See the PH10. http://home.wanadoo.nl/peugeotshow/images/1952n_2.jpg

Thats based on squinting at fuzzy images. I think the 1950 and 1951 catalogs show a mounting plate.

I guess that means my PH10 is a 1952. It is a different color (blue) and has a few components switched between the years so I hadn't quite been able to figure it out.

Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch, NJ


----- Original Message -----
From: neil foddering
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:38:00 -0000
Subject: RE: [CR]Dating Simplex vertical dropouts


> Hello Peter,

\r?\n>

\r?\n> If you mean the forward-facing dropouts for the Tour de France,

\r?\n> Juy 51,

\r?\n> etc., they aren't listed in the 1952 Brown Brothers catalogue, but

\r?\n> they are

\r?\n> in the 1956 catalogue. I don't have any catyalogues in between

\r?\n> the two

\r?\n> dates. The fitting instructions in the 1950 Fonteyn catalogue

\r?\n> don't mention

\r?\n> ends with an integral gear hanger; they only refer to the fixing

\r?\n> plate.

\r?\n> This tends to confirm that they may not have been available, in

\r?\n> England at

\r?\n> least, until after 1952, but that they certainly were by 1956.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> They were no longer listed in the 1960 Brown Bros. catalogue.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I'm afraid I can't get any more specific.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Neil Foddering

\r?\n> Weymouth, England

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> >From: "Peter Brown" <peterg.brown@ntlworld.com>

\r?\n> >To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

\r?\n> >Subject: [CR]Dating Simplex vertical dropouts

\r?\n> >Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:02:20 +0100

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> >Is anyone able to tell me please when Simplex vertical dropouts with

\r?\n> >integral gear hanger were introduced, and possibly also when they

\r?\n> went out

\r?\n> >of production.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> >Peter Brown, Lincolnshire, England