Hi All, I don't know if anyone mentioned this during Plus 4/Plus 2 discussion, but Rivendell's made in the USA "MUSA" long pants have a velcro cinch at the cuff that can turn them into Plus 2-3/4's if they are hitched up to below the knee. These pants are lightweight, and have the advantage that they can be turned into regular pants when kids start pointing and laughing. All the best, Phil Easton, Cambria, California, USA. No connection to Rivendell. P.S. The same pant is available as somewhat baggy lightweight longish shorts.