Re: [CR]My 1972 Cinelli

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:14:29 -0500
From: "Joseph Bender-Zanoni" <joebz@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]My 1972 Cinelli
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To: Mark Bulgier <Mark@bulgier.net>
References: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A9070642D7@hippy.home.here>
cc: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

I would add a factor. Given the brazed in liner and straight cut treatment at the top, the seat lug looks very thick at the top of a Cinelli. So why file off a lot of lug to create a visual disparity?

That being said I went downstairs to look at a 1968 SC and the seat tube lug on this frame was the thinnest! And the upper head lug was thicker than the bottom! Reports please?

Joe Bender-Zanoni Great Notch, NJ

Mark Bulgier wrote:
>
> About Angel Garcia's Cinelli,
>
>>
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>>> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/veronaman/
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> I wondered:
>
>> Maybe the Cinelli-Cinelli seat lug was a casting?
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>
> A guy who should know for sure filled me in but doesn't want the credit.
> Back then all three lugs were sand castings - the thin sheetmetal lugs
> didn't come along until the mid-70s. In comparison to the smooth
> investment-cast lugs that came along still later, the earlier sand
> castings were rough, crude and thick, requiring a lot of work to make
> 'em look nice.
>
> So it looks like all 3 lugs on Angel's bike started out thick, and the
> head lugs just got more hand-filing than the seat lug.
>
> That makes sense in a way, because thinning the lugs extends the fatigue
> lifetime of the tubing by reducing the "stress riser" - the abrupt
> change in thickness right at the lug edge, from tube+lug to just the
> tube. And the tubes are far more likely to fatigue at the head lugs.
> Top tube cracking at the seat lug (where Angel's bike is thick) is
> fairly rare, so there's little need to thin that lug - other than
> aesthetics.
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle WA USA