[CR]Thoughts on NAHBS

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From: "Bruce Gordon" <bgcycles@svn.net>
To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:10:56 -0800
Organization: Bruce Gordon Cycles
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Subject: [CR]Thoughts on NAHBS

I am writing this response to all those have been discussing topics I put in my post after the NAHBS. Again I apologize for multiple posting, but there have been so many posts and private emails from people on the CR, iBbob,Touring,and Frambuilders lists that I thought I would send it to them all. I’m also sorry that I have not been able to reply to all the private emails that offered advice, and support.

I feel that there is one major subject that has been neglected in all the conversations. I know that I have been called a whiner, a complainer, and tiring. I’m OK with that. But really I’m concerned about the direction the small framebuilding community is going.

I read all about the concerns with the judging of the show – I really had no problem with the awards – it was a vote of the people, and more important – awards do not pay the bills.

As I mentioned before, I handed out an anonymous questionnaire to the small builders at the show. I received 17 back from the builders, and the results were quite alarming.

Here are some of the results.

Not one builder was satisfied with the money they made.

All but 2 builders did not know what their overhead was, and the 2 who answered did not really know what overhead was. Being the son of an accountant – I do know my overhead.

Not one builder could retire on their current income if necessary - this is particularly alarming because I will turn 58 in 3 months.

Less than ½ said they had small savings or small 401k plans

The total years building of the 17 responses was 224 years (wow) or 13.18 average

I spoke to many builders at the show (not everyone) and only one said that they made $35,000 building fulltime. Most were in the under $20,000 range which is where I fall. What was most alarming was that the one builder who is most often held up as successful, was also in the under $20,000 club.

Many have said that small framebuilders are not affected by what I call Marketers (people who design frames and have them built overseas, mostly Japan and Taiwan). My business which is 95% TIGed touring frames and equipment, has definitely been hurt by them.

It used to be that lugged frames could easily command $1500 to $2000. Now with Japanese and Taiwan frames going for $800 to $1400 the expected price for a lugged frame has been driven down to that level in the mind for the consumer.

I have spoken to several potential customers who read about my “misfortune” (snipped). They were quite sympathetic, but they hoped that I would NOT raise my prices. While I welcome advice – I would really like to hear from builders who make more than the magical $35,000 a year – call me greedy. A friend with over 27 years building says he doesn’t need to be rich, but he would like to make a “Living Wage” (see http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/issueguides_livingwage_lwo-table ). In the bay area that is $10 to $12 per hour. I don’t think that is too much to expect from a skilled craftsperson. So far I have found one small builder who has reached that “Living Wage”. Any others out there – please stand up!

And what never ceases to amaze me is that every day I read about more new builders joining the community – I hope the new crew builds an “Old Framebuilders Home” – I’m almost ready.

In closing – I think there is something fundamentally wrong with a community where virtually no one building frames makes even a “Living Wage”

Regards,

Bruce Gordon

Bruce Gordon Cycles

http://www.bgcycles.com http://www.bgcycles.com/

Bruce Gordon

Bruce Gordon Cycles

http://www.bgcycles.com http://www.bgcycles.com/