Re: [CR]Rear brake routing on early '60s Paramounts

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From: <FujiFish1@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:20:35 EDT
Subject: Re: [CR]Rear brake routing on early '60s Paramounts
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org


Here is a 1967 Paramount I built up with 1972 Campy (now in the hands of our

Listmeister, Dale), showing the simple curve to get the brake cable over to the non-drive side and the Campy sidepull: http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Schwinn_1967_Paramount_Chrome

As for reach, I've showed this before, but it always seems suitable in the discussion. I made my own "drop bracket" using hardware stolen from an old Universal centerpull, and I think a Campy hub spacer: http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Paramount_Brake_Drop_Bracket

Click on all above pics again, to view the clearer versions.

Ciao, Mark Agree Southfield MI ~ ~ ~

: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> To: Fredrick Yavorsky <fred@twistcomm.com>, "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Rear brake routing on early '60s Paramounts

Well, the problem of course is that that 1966 Paramount was not made for Campy SP's, which were introduced in 1968. The cable housing stops, which a s I've learned from this thread, were typical on early/mid 60's Paramounts, were offset to the wrong side for the Campy brakes. Most likely designed with Weinmann CP's in mind. Also, many of the older SP's had the cable attachmen t on the opposite side from Campy. I think these may have included Weinmann 500 SP's - I'll check my 1972 Follis 172 this evening.

This brings up a good point. Was it the introduction of the Campy SP's which caused Schwinn to abandon the brazeon cable housing stops and switch t o cable clips on the Paramount? Of course, they could have offset the stops t o the other side, since the side doesn't matter to CP's, but then there would have

been a problem with many other CP's. And the stops work best if offset, so the cable doesn't have to wrap so far around the seat lug. So maybe elimina ting them gave the best flexibility. French bikes, which usually used MAFAC CP's , continued to use the cable housing stops well into the 70's.

I think this Paramount illustrates how hot an item the new Campy brakes were, and the lengths to which guys would go to use them. Campy must have d one a booming business in drop bolts, since most bikes designed for CP's needed th e bolts to fit Campy SP's. I was riding with Heinz Linke's club in Cleveland (Lakewood) OH in the early 70's. Heinz sold more PX-10s than anything, and several club members had fitted Campy brakes to PX-10s using drop bolts.

Regards,

Jerry Moos Big Spring, TX

Fredrick Yavorsky <fred@twistcomm.com> wrote: My 1966 Paramount was and is a hodge-podge of upgraded parts but most were done year¹s back. When I first aquired it it had Campagnolo sidepulls with the rear mounted backwards using a Campy drop bolt. This was strange to me but I guess it allowed nice routing from the rear top tube cable stop:

http://twistcomm.com/Bikes/66_Paramount/source/p1010009.html http://twistcomm.com/Bikes/66_Paramount/source/p1010011.html

In an attept to start bring the bike back to more ³period correctness², I changed the brake later to the other side but was never happy with a crossover from the rear cable stop so I (temporarily) used cable clamps:

http://www.twistcomm.com/AugustBikes/source/p1010088.htm

How do Paramount experts feel about routing a brake cable from the drive side to the opposite side for sidepull brakes?

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Fred Yavorsky
Jenkintown, PA
fred@twistcomm.com
http://twistcomm.com/FredBikes.html