Re: [CR]Oversized top vs. oversized down

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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:04:46 -0700
To: Don Wilson <dcwilson3@yahoo.com>, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
From: "Jan Heine" <heine94@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [CR]Oversized top vs. oversized down


At 8:11 AM -0700 6/14/06, Don Wilson wrote:
>Two Questions:
>
>1. What would the comparative advantages/disadvantages
>be of using oversize top tubes vs. oversize down
>tubes?

I am not qualified to answer that, as I never have ridden two otherwise identical bikes with just different diameter top or down tubes. However, I doubt anybody else alive today has had that direct comparison, either. If a builder is willing to make two (or better three, one standard, one OS top, one OS down tube) bikes, Vintage Bicycle Quarterly would love to do a test similar to the geometry test (three identical frames except for the fork offset) in the Spring 06 issue. We would have at least three different, experienced riders ride each bike back-to-back and comment on the feel, climbing, descending and cornering. That would be very interesting, and could help guide future bike design. We might even wrap the tubes in pipe insulation, so we could not tell which bike we are riding, making this a double-blind test.
>2. Did any of the classic lightweight builders try
>oversized down tubes with any marked benefit?

Rene Herse used to offer it. Mike Kone's "campeur," which I rode at the Cirque 05, has that feature. It seems to ride quite well indeed.

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