RE: [CR]was Ebay: Frejus "TdF"/ Stem and fork crown Qs

(Example: Framebuilders:Chris Pauley)

Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:40:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Ted E. Baer" <wickedsky@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: [CR]was Ebay: Frejus "TdF"/ Stem and fork crown Qs
To: Mark Bulgier <Mark@bulgier.net>, The Maaslands <TheMaaslands@comcast.net>, CR <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
In-Reply-To: <9327C3B25BD3C34A8DBC26145D88A907064192@hippy.home.here>


Mark,

Is this the same lug that is referred to as the "fish-mouth" lug? The areas wherein the top tube and the down tube insert have that Singer/Herse look. I don't know the first thing about lugs but have always wondered what those fish-mouth lugs looked like. The lugs in your photo are quite elegant to say the least.

Ted Baer
Palo Alto, CA USA


--- Mark Bulgier wrote:


>
> Steven Maasland wrote:
>
> > The seatlug is a commonly available one that Bozzi
> even sold
> > wholesale to all comers from the late 40's onward.
> The
> > seatstays tabs of the lug are actually male plugs
> that fit
> > into the stays, so you can often see a circular
> line around
> > the stay about one half inch from the lug.
>
> I have a set of those lugs, so I snapped a basic
> snapshot and slapped it
> up here for those who need a visual:
> http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/FrameParts/Bozzi_Lugs.jpg
>
> You can see how the built-in seatstay tops are
> hollow, so this is not a
> heavy way to attach stays, it's actually lighter
> than many other
> high-quality frames. (Before seeing the lug, I
> always assumed those
> were solid plugs.) It's actually pretty slick, with
> one minor downside,
> the built-in seatstay-to-seattube angle, which will
> only fit one frame
> size without bending.
>
> You can bet they are very malleable though, and can
> be bent as far as
> needed for any normal-ish frame size. Yes,
> "normal-ish" is a word, I
> read it on the Internet.
>
> Mark Bulgier
> Seattle WA USA
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