[CR]RE: was Ebay: Frejus "TdF"/ Stem and fork crown Qs

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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:57:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Fred Rafael Rednor" <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <20060923024055.87954.qmail@web80614.mail.yahoo.com>
Subject: [CR]RE: was Ebay: Frejus "TdF"/ Stem and fork crown Qs

> Is this the same lug that is referred
        > to as the "fish-mouth" lug? Yes.
      Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)


--- "Ted E. Baer" wrote:


>
> Mark,
>
> Is this the same lug that is referred to as the
> "fish-mouth" lug? The areas wherein the top tube and
> the down tube insert have that Singer/Herse look. I
> don't know the first thing about lugs but have always
> wondered what those fish-mouth lugs looked like. The
> lugs in your photo are quite elegant to say the least.
>
> Ted Baer
> Palo Alto, CA USA
>
> --- Mark Bulgier <Mark@bulgier.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Steven Maasland wrote:
> >
> > > The seatlug is a commonly available one that Bozzi
> > even sold
> > > wholesale to all comers from the late 40's onward.
> > The
> > > seatstays tabs of the lug are actually male plugs
> > that fit
> > > into the stays, so you can often see a circular
> > line around
> > > the stay about one half inch from the lug.
> >
> > I have a set of those lugs, so I snapped a basic
> > snapshot and slapped it
> > up here for those who need a visual:
> >
> http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/FrameParts/Bozzi_Lugs.jpg
> >
> > You can see how the built-in seatstay tops are
> > hollow, so this is not a
> > heavy way to attach stays, it's actually lighter
> > than many other
> > high-quality frames. (Before seeing the lug, I
> > always assumed those
> > were solid plugs.) It's actually pretty slick, with
> > one minor downside,
> > the built-in seatstay-to-seattube angle, which will
> > only fit one frame
> > size without bending.
> >
> > You can bet they are very malleable though, and can
> > be bent as far as
> > needed for any normal-ish frame size. Yes,
> > "normal-ish" is a word, I
> > read it on the Internet.
> >
> > Mark Bulgier
> > Seattle WA USA
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