[CR]Re: CR List...Last of the MARTANO Rims for sale plus MAVIC tubular/sew-up/sprint RIMS.Items for sale

Hi All, I'm currently selling the last of the MARTANO RIMS. ...These include 24 24 28 28 32 32 in TIPO STRADA(Polished Alloy) 24 24 28 28 32 32 in TIPO LEGGERO (Polished Alloy) 28 28 32 32 36 36 in PROFESSIONAL 78 (Anodised Grey/Black Alloy). They are all priced at 59.50 GBP per pair Shipping...Airmail 7-10 working days APPROX 1 Pair 31.50 GBP TOTAL.....4 Pairs 49.50 GBP TOTAL.

Some of the above rims are currently on eBay 'Buy it Now'.

I shall also be listing the following 1939 Holdsworth's cyclist's aids. Holdsworth Headbadge 2- Airlite low-flange rear hubs 40 holes double-sided gear fixed F.B Low-flange 32 holes Front Hub.

Please allow time for response.

PLEASE NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS.........CANTIFLEX@BTINTERNET.COM

Ray Etherton Chelmsford, Essex.UK.

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: 1983 Bianchi Columbus tubing, 58cm (michael hall) 2. Re: tubular Glue (John Betmanis) 3. Re: musings on rare bike stuff 4. 531 fork needed for Gemeniani (Gear) 5. Re: musings on rare (Emanuel Lowi) 6. WTB: High quality English-threaded cottered BB (Kristopher Green) 7. FW: ICS Friction Shifters (Glenn Benveniste) 8. eBay DeRosa (Richard Robinson) 9. RE: musings on rare bike stuff (gene) 10. WOW! Those Con Denti Pedals... (Richard Robinson) 11. Re: Re: musings on rare (Fred Rafael Rednor) 12. Wing nuts and chain adjuster 1925 Evans (Phil Scott) 13. Re: Re: musings on rare (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:04:56 -0800 (PST) From: michael hall <f2kracer@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]1983 Bianchi Columbus tubing, 58cm Message-ID: <20070125000456.56777.qmail@web53314.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <8C90E102BD3AF85-884-7061@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 1

Sorry to all, for my mistake. I spend a ton of time on other bike sites who don't require this. Tomorrow when I post the pics I'll fix the email with a price.

Thanks, Michael

oroboyz@aol.com wrote: Hey Michael:

Your "I'm up for any reasonable offers." is in breach of the CR rules.

Let me cut and paste that part here:

<< 2. "For Sale" or "Wanted to Buy" postings for items in the CR on-topic timeline only (prior to 1983) or distinctly "Keeper of the Flame" (KOF, in a classic style. If unsure, ask the web master BEFORE posting such items). Items must always include a set price (no "best offer," "highest bidder" or " I am thinking about selling..." & thereby fishing for an offer). For Sale ads may be only be posted one time. >>

So, to maintain your membership in the CR, you need to come up with a price and post that to the CR list members ASAP.

Might be smart to read those rules againj just to cover future situations,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/CR_list_rules.htm

Thanks Dale

Dale Brown List owner & web m,aster Greensboro, North Carolina 27408 USA 336.274.5959 http://www.cyclesdeoro.com http://www.classicrendezvous.com

-----Original Message----- From: f2kracer@yahoo.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 1:25 PM Subject: [CR]1983 Bianchi Columbus tubing, 58cm

I'm going to have pics of the frame, fork, stem and big ring up tomorrow afternoon. I'm pretty motivated to sell this frame and I'd rather not got the ebay route. I'm up for any reasonable offers.

Thanks, Michael

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:05:54 -0500 From: John Betmanis <johnb@oxford.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]tubular Glue Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20070124190554.00e45ee8@mailhost.oxford.net> In-Reply-To: <7d49b7530701241201h11e55155gf34d98634ebc3d64@mail.gmail.co m> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2

At 02:01 PM 24/01/2007 -0600, Marty Eison wrote:
>I like Panaracer clear tubular glue, I believe it's the same as the
>Soyo cement favoured by Keirin riders in Japan.

Don't know its pedigree, but I like it because it's clear and doesn't leave ugly red smudges on the sidewalls. It's not reated highly in the tests I posted, but I don't push my tires to the limit.

John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada ------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:25:38 +0000 From: hersefan@comcast.net To: chasds@mindspring.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]musings on rare bike stuff Message-ID: <012520070025.13308.45B7F90200071D95000033FC2205889116020E000A9C9D0A08@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 3

I'm not so sure that prices are always on the rise - and the con denti pedals are an example. Back around 1994 I remember Japanese buyers offering upwards of 1K for a very nice pair. Right now the ebay price is hovering in the $400 to $600 range. The key is that the Con Denti pedals were never really all that rare - sure they aren't everywhere, but if your patient and look at lots of old vintage bikes you start to see them.

Another item that has taken its lumps is the first generation Campy crank Charles speaks of - awhile back a list member sold a really nice one for over 3K. But one recently sold (not quite the same condition, but it did have its caps in place and it looked pretty decent at least) went for a good bit under 1K.

The real key is having something rare when at least one person is looking to go deep for such an item. Timing is everything.

Mike Kone in Boulder CO

> Gene Balk noted in a recent post that he was selling a pair of Campagnolo con
> denti track pedals.
>
> I was about to e-mail him privately to suggest that he cancel the auction and
> keep the pedals, then I thought that that was a rather presumptuous thing to
> do...and then the auction brought up a more general notion that I wish I'd been
> aware of when I got back into old bikes in the mid-1990s.
>
> When you have a bit that's rare, and you know it's rare, and you have only one
> of them...or maybe even two...it's probably smart to just keep them.
>
> Because, inevitably, sure as the sun rises in the East, you're going to need
> that very rare bit someday, and you're going to wish you had it.
>
> And keeping such things, even if you don't have a use for it right away, is
> almost never bad from a financial point-of-view. Extremely rare and desired
> items like con denti pedals will just keep going up in value. The longer you
> hold them, the more they're worth.
>
> Now, if a person needs the money, for whatever reason, far be it from me to say
> they shouldn't sell something.
>
> But I can't tell you how many times, until the last couple of years, anyway,
> that I have sold some very rare bits, and regretted it later. More than a few
> times. And I probably never really *needed* the money, except in the cases of a
> couple of very valuable bikes that I don't regret selling. The money came in
> handy, and I don't miss them.
>
> But, in general, when it comes to things like con denti pedals..I'd keep such
> beasts until I knew I was leaving the vintage bike biz completely.
>
> For all the people here who may be looking at some very rare bit and wondering
> if they should sell it..I say, think VERY hard about it...and then keep it.
> Because, more likely than not, you'll regret selling it.
>
> one hard-won plugged nickle from..
>
> Charles (I've been thinking of selling a first-gen campagnolo crankset for
> months now...but I think I'm going to keep it, for exactly the reasons noted
> above) Andrews
> SoCal
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:30:35 -0700 From: "Gear" <gear@xmission.com> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]531 fork needed for Gemeniani Message-ID: <004e01c74018$45a480b0$6500a8c0@Grego1> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gear <gear@xmission.com> Message: 4

Hi all, A local shop called today looking for a fork to replace the bent original on a 531 Rafael Gemeniani bike in their shop. I don't have anything large enough for the 58cm frame. So I told them I'd put the word on the street - this being the 'street'. It's not imperative that the fork is indeed a RG original, or for that matter French (but this would allow the owner to retain the headset and stem). The bike uses 700c wheels, and (from a real dreamworld pov), it's a light seafoam green. Anyone gots? Thanks, Greg Overton trying to help a brother out in Salt Lake City, Utah

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:38:19 -0500 (EST) From: Emanuel Lowi <lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Re: musings on rare Message-ID: <959589.41790.qm@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <MONKEYFOODTQJYpSxiA000034a7@monkeyfood.nt.phred.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5

Charles wrote:

>
> When you have a bit that's rare, and you know it's rare,
> and you have only one of them...or maybe even two...it's
> probably smart to just keep them.
>
> Because, inevitably, sure as the sun rises in the East,
> you're going to need that very rare bit someday, and
> you're going to wish you had it.
>
> And keeping such things, even if you don't have a use for
> it right away, is almost never bad from a financial
> point-of-view. Extremely rare and desired items like con
> denti pedals will just keep going up in value. The
> longer you hold them, the more they're worth.
>
> Now, if a person needs the money, for whatever reason,
> far be it from me to say they shouldn't sell something.
>
> But I can't tell you how many times, until the last
> couple of years, anyway, that I have sold some very rare
> bits, and regretted it later. More than a few times.
> And I probably never really *needed* the money, except in
> the cases of a couple of very valuable bikes that I don't
> regret selling. The money came in handy, and I don't
> miss them.
>
> But, in general, when it comes to things like con denti
> pedals..I'd keep such beasts until I knew I was leaving
> the vintage bike biz completely.
>
> For all the people here who may be looking at some very
> rare bit and wondering if they should sell it..I say,
> think VERY hard about it...and then keep it. Because,
> more likely than not, you'll regret selling it.
>

And then there is that hazy yet dangerously life-altering moment when the collector who owns the collection becomes the collector owned by the collection, the signifier defined by the signified, Chatwin's Utz metamorphosed into a miniature Meissen figurine.

There are consequences -- secret obsessive thoughts, financial misjudgements, creeping insanity, abandonment by loved ones.

As someone who once collected many things and became, by force of habit if not by nature, a collector, I recall now with considerable relief those days when I sold off my precious objects bit by bit or consigned them to some faraway auction house. The feeling of liberation that came with getting the monkey off my back was worth every instant of short-lived post-partum angst, a sentiment that seems more and more pathetic as the distance between it and me lengthens...

For me, finally, a bike is a thing to ride, with the wind in my hair and the sweat dripping off my brow, muscles screaming for more. I'll never be a bike collector just like I'll never stop riding until I simply cannot swing one old leg over that Brooksian slab.

Emanuel Lowi Montreal, Quebec.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:40:38 -0800 From: "Kristopher Green" <kristopher.green@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]WTB: High quality English-threaded cottered BB Message-ID: <36ebc2f70701241640v2d12ca27vada4652d8ae7193@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6

Greetings, all:

I'm building up a 1958 Hetchins frame I bought from a listmember in a terrific transaction. I'm doing so in a period-, if not regionally-, correct fashion. A friend has offered a really lovely set of cottered Stronglight cranks, looking much like a slender set of 49ds, that I'd like to use. I'm seeking, then, a high-quality, English-threaded bottom bracket with a cottered spindle that's an appropriate length for a single chainring. This needn't be NOS, but it must have some good life left in it.

I'm also looking for a pretty 11cm/4.5" stem that would be appropriate for the bike.

Thanks for your consideration. I'll answer all correspondence.

Kris Green Olympia, Washington, USA kristopher.green@gmail.com

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:43:48 -0800 From: "Glenn Benveniste" <swfish1@cox.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]FW: ICS Friction Shifters Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAARI6b9M+x9UyM58YvpqbiWMKAAAAQAAAAI/NGSttdXk2z4GIlZQ59KQEAAAAA@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7

The shifters found a new home. What an amazing list. Glenn Benveniste Oceanside, CA

-----Original Message----- From: Glenn Benveniste [mailto:swfish1@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:08 PM To: 'classicrendezvous@bikelist.org' Subject: ICS Friction Shifters

For all you collectors, I have a NOS fresh in the box (small) ICS Campagnolo friction shifters. I have to give them up to score some Campagnolo rims that I need for some fresh wheel rebuilds. $75 shipped. Will consider a trade for some 32 hole rims. Ask for some pictures if you need them.

Glenn Benveniste

Oceanside , California

Direct Phone: (760) 295-3572 Direct Fax: (760) 295-6083 Cell: (760) 579-1147

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:04:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Richard Robinson <vintagespoke@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]eBay DeRosa Message-ID: <337598.1169687068245.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: Richard Robinson <vintagespoke@earthlink.net> Message: 8

Hello fellow list members,

I'm on the road again, so I find myself sitting here in my hotel room at night with more time than usual to surf the net and eBay. There are a lot of good deals on the squeeeezBay these days...

Here is a nice mid 80's De Rosa for all you Ugo fans. I only wish it was in my size.

http://ebay.com/<blah>

And a very cool 50's Terrot

http://ebay.com/<blah>

Also spotted are an early 70's Raleigh Pro and very cool early 70's Mondia Special. None of the bikes are mine and sellers are all unknown, at least by eBay handle. Check them out.

Regards, Rich Robinson Jacksonville NC (currently in Va. Beach hoping the weather will warm up so I can ride on Fort Story this weekend) ------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:33:13 -0800 From: gene <genebalk@gmail.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: RE: [CR]musings on rare bike stuff Message-ID: <5440a0c40701241733y2b6f6267sbbd1801f987c2666@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9

Thank you, Charles, and everyone else for offering their advice. I have had quite a few very knowledgeable folks email me advising me to reconsider the auction, and I am, but I do want to give it some thought before I do anything. I suppose I am more like Emanuel -- I don't think of myself as a bike collector, despite having several collectible bikes, now. I guess I do have the collector impulse, though, because I have some bad feelings about parting out pedals that are original to the bike. It's a little bit like cutting up an old book of maps because they sell for more individually -- I wouldn't do that.

On the other hand, I really bought the bike to ride rather than to show, and I'd feel uncomfortable using pedals that were worth that much for fear I'd scrape them. So I'd just wind up keeping them in storage. I figure by selling them, I'd offset some of the cost of the bike, and I have a nice pair of "correct" track pedals to replace these con denti ones with. The other thing is, the pedals were more of a cool surprise when the bike arrived, not something I was expecting to be on there.

Well, I really am torn, but it's great to hear other CR members' opinions on this. I truly appreciate all the great advice and the collective wisdom of the folks on this list.

Thanks,

Gene Balk Seattle, WA

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:01:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Richard Robinson <vintagespoke@earthlink.net> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]WOW! Those Con Denti Pedals... Message-ID: <24937575.1169690491294.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: Richard Robinson <vintagespoke@earthlink.net> Message: 10

WOW! Gene those Campy Con Denti Track pedals are already up to $140+ dollars. How high do you think these pedals will go?

Regards, Rich Robinson Jacksonville NC ------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:08:31 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com> To: Emanuel Lowi <lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca>,
      classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Re: musings on rare Message-ID: <20070125020831.35214.qmail@web30605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <959589.41790.qm@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 11