Bob,
I just repainted a '63 Jack Taylor and it had the same fitting (though i'm pretty sure mine is brass)... I'm instaling a sealed Phil wood btb in it now, so as for me there is no longer any function for that fitting.
Nathan Cozzolino SF, CA
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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. re: strange braze on (Russ Fitzgerald)
> 2. Re: Gazelle 531 Speedstream / Columbus Air tubing... (Ian Briggs)
> 3. Campy 27.4 seatpost (Gary Watts)
> 4. Jack Taylor BB oil/grease fitting?
> 5. Frames & Parts for Sale... (Larry Myers)
> 6. Re: TELEDYNE TITAN DECAL SOURCE ??/// ALTENBURGER DECALS
> (Jim Allen)
> 7. Re: Campy 27.4 seatpost (Peter Tutty)
> 8. Re: re: strange braze on (Michael Schmidt)
> 9. Re: re: strange braze on (Hilary Stone)
> 10. Strange Braze-On (Norris Lockley)
> 11. Nice 70s Cinelli Speciale on Ebay...
> 12. Re: Campy 27.4 seatpost (Mike Self)
> 13. Re: Nice 70s Cinelli Speciale on Ebay... (Steve Maas)
> 14. Re: Campy 27.4 seatpost
> 15. Re: Youth Hostels (Fred Rafael Rednor)
> 16. Re: Really old Moser Bike and Cinelli world champion stripes
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:10:11 -0400
>From: Russ Fitzgerald <velocio@earthlink.net>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]re: strange braze on
>Message-ID: <A7F3F7C4-02C1-4CC8-9FD0-6B6A200819C0@earthlink.net>
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>Bob Freitas asked about the braze on fitted to a Jack Taylor shown at -
>
><http://ebay.com/<blah>
>ViewItem&item=140098007510&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohostin
>g>
>
>- my suspicion is that since it was built in the land of the roadside
>tea brew-up, the braze-on might be for carrying a Primus stove. I've
>seen clamp fittings for carrying small stoves under the top tube.
>Taylor believed in brazed-on everything, right? It makes sense that
>they would provide such a fitting.
>
>What do our cousins across the pond think?
>
>Russ Fitzgerald
>Greenwood, SC, USA
><http://internaldetours.blogspot.com>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:34:07 -0400
>From: lemansgtman@aol.com
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Re: Gazelle 531 Speedstream / Columbus Air tubing... (Ian
>Briggs)
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>A lovely bike indeed - and it reminds me.
>
>Can anyone on the list say whether Columbus Air tubing is on-topic?
>
>I suspect not.
>
>I only ask because in my stable a I have a "Bill Nickson" made from this
>tube set (who built that I wonder? - not Bill 'cos as far as I know he has
>never been a builder). As it's a lo-pro time-trial bike which apes the
>Lemond TDF winning machine - it's almost certainly off-topic.
>
>As a point of interest, Columbus Air of course needs it's own dedicated
>seatpost, and as the one I got with the bike for a joke low price (off good
>old ebay) came with a badly graunched 'post - it was a nightmare sourcing a
>useable replacement.
>
>I could find none in the UK but happily a CR list member came to the rescue
>and sold me a new 'post which of course had been 'born' in Italy, crossed
>the Atlantic to spent some time NIB in a shop stockroom in the 'States
>before travelling back to Europe to me in the UK...
>
>Ian Briggs
>LUTON - UK
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:49:19 -0700
>From: "Gary Watts" <watts.gary@gmail.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Campy 27.4 seatpost
>Message-ID: <791ce6f70703182049g6c6bbee9n4ab8869ebda00e3d@mail.gmail.com>
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>I saw a 27.4 NOS Campy seatpost go by on ebay this last week and just
>finished cleaning one up for a friend. I didn't know there was such an
>animal. What bike/frame tubing used/uses 27.4?
>
>Gary Watts
>Vancouver, Washington
>USA
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:02:45 EDT
>From: Stronglight49@aol.com
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR] Jack Taylor BB oil/grease fitting?
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>The following photo is from the current eBay auction. Was this type of
>bottom bracket oil fitting common... and actually useful? They seem to
>have
>become largely abandoned by the 1960s, yet here is a bike from the early
>1970s.
>Does any have personal experience maintaining a bike thus fitted?
>
>_http://i18.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/93/04/be8f_3.JPG_
>(http://i18.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/93/04/be8f_3.JPG)
>
>Bob Hanson, Albuquerque, NM, USA
>
>
>
>
>
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>Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:32:51 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Larry Myers <curmudgeon1957@yahoo.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Frames & Parts for Sale...
>Message-ID: <129540.76506.qm@web55401.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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>Hey, kids- more surplus goodies that need to go away....
>
> 1) France Sport frame-late 60's exclnt cond, all '531' w/Cyclo dropouts,
> all BSC, . 58.5x 58cm,$175
> 2)Crescent '531' frame, Nervex lugs, 54.5x 54.5, Campy dropouts-includes
>Campy NR headset, post, & BB (French threaded)-$150
> 3)Campy 'SL' road pedals, w/clips & straps, exclnt cond, $75
> 4)Campy 'SR' derailleur set- good cond, not show bike quality, though
>good for 'rider'-$75
> 5)MAFAC brake pads-NOS, for 'Racer' & others, $22/set of 4 (2 sets
>available)
> 6)MAFAC tandem pads w/ holders (5-stud), NOS, $35/set of 4
>
> Fine print: Pics of frames are available; not of other items. Figure
>$2-$5 postage for other items, frames shipped at approximatly actual cost.
>Some of these items are on e-bay- these prices are lower. Still looking for
>Zeus headset & seatpost (27.2),Zeus track pedals.
>
> Cheers,
> Larry Myers
> Portland, Oregon, USA
>
>
>
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>
>Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:36:32 -0700
>From: Jim Allen <MotorRef@peoplepc.com>
>To: Rnitro1969@aol.com
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]TELEDYNE TITAN DECAL SOURCE ??/// ALTENBURGER DECALS
>Message-ID: <45FE2160.7080403@peoplepc.com>
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>Robbie,
>
>Any of the professional painters can obtain the Teledyne Titan decals
>from Screen Specialties.
>
>Jim Allen
>the CycleSmiths
>760 782 2737
>
>Rnitro1969@aol.com wrote:
> > GREETINGS
> >
> >
> > ANY ONE KNOW A SOURCE FOR
> > TELEDYNE TITAN DECALS.
> >
> > ANYONE MAKING THEM
> > OR CAN MAKE THEM.
> >
> > ALSO LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO
> > MAKE THE LARGE ALTENBURGER
> > BRAKE LEVER DECALS.
> > THE ONES THAT COVER THE ENTIRE
> > SIDE OF LEVERS
> >
> > THANKS
> > ROBBIE FELLOWS
> > LAKEWOOD,CA.
> >
> >
> >
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>
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 00:55:46 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Peter Tutty <peter_tutty@yahoo.com>
>To: Gary Watts <watts.gary@gmail.com>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Campy 27.4 seatpost
>Message-ID: <53.37491.qm@web32615.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>Reynolds 531 db etc.
> Outside diameter 28.6mm
> Less wall thickness 5.5mm x 2 1.1mm
> Resultant setpost 'hole' 27.5mm
>
> In reality the brazing process can cause a slight ovalization of tubing
>making 27.2mm a more common seatpost size, however reaming out to 27.4mm on
>a wellbuilt ie not overheated frame is often possible.
>
> Peter Tutty
> Still raining in Londonderry, NSW, Australia.
>
>Gary Watts <watts.gary@gmail.com> wrote:
> I saw a 27.4 NOS Campy seatpost go by on ebay this last week and just
>finished cleaning one up for a friend. I didn't know there was such an
>animal. What bike/frame tubing used/uses 27.4?
>
>Gary Watts
>Vancouver, Washington
>USA
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 04:43:15 -0400
>From: Michael Schmidt <mdschmidt@patmedia.net>
>To: Russ Fitzgerald <velocio@earthlink.net>,
> classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]re: strange braze on
>Message-ID: <C223C563.3382%mdschmidt@patmedia.net>
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>Russ,
>Since the folks that live in Europe tend to travel on the train with their
>bikes, I wonder if the braze on is for straps that are designed to minimize
>movement of the bike during transport.
>
>
>On 3/18/07 10:10 PM, "Russ Fitzgerald" <velocio@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Bob Freitas asked about the braze on fitted to a Jack Taylor shown at -
> >
> > http://ebay.com/
> > ViewItem&item=140098007510&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohostin
> > g>
> >
> > - my suspicion is that since it was built in the land of the roadside
> > tea brew-up, the braze-on might be for carrying a Primus stove. I've
> > seen clamp fittings for carrying small stoves under the top tube.
> > Taylor believed in brazed-on everything, right? It makes sense that
> > they would provide such a fitting.
> >
> > What do our cousins across the pond think?
> >
> > Russ Fitzgerald
> > Greenwood, SC, USA
> > http://internaldetours.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
>
>Mike Schmidt
>Stirling, NJ
>USA
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:36:32 +0000
>From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
>To: Michael Schmidt <mdschmidt@patmedia.net>
>Cc: Russ Fitzgerald <velocio@earthlink.net>
>Cc: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]re: strange braze on
>Message-ID: <45FE67B0.5090400@blueyonder.co.uk>
>In-Reply-To: <C223C563.3382%mdschmidt@patmedia.net>
>References: <C223C563.3382%mdschmidt@patmedia.net>
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>I am sure Russ is correct in suggesting that the braze-on is for a
>Primus stove - carrying a Primus stove under the top tube was quite
>common in Britain for campers.
>
>Hilary Stone, Bristol, England
>
>Michael Schmidt wrote:
> > Russ,
> > Since the folks that live in Europe tend to travel on the train with
>their
> > bikes, I wonder if the braze on is for straps that are designed to
>minimize
> > movement of the bike during transport.
> >
> >
> > On 3/18/07 10:10 PM, "Russ Fitzgerald" <velocio@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Bob Freitas asked about the braze on fitted to a Jack Taylor shown at -
> >>
> >> http://ebay.com/
> >>
>ViewItem&item=140098007510&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohostin
> >> g>
> >>
> >> - my suspicion is that since it was built in the land of the roadside
> >> tea brew-up, the braze-on might be for carrying a Primus stove. I've
> >> seen clamp fittings for carrying small stoves under the top tube.
> >> Taylor believed in brazed-on everything, right? It makes sense that
> >> they would provide such a fitting.
> >>
> >> What do our cousins across the pond think?
> >>
> >> Russ Fitzgerald
> >> Greenwood, SC, USA
> >> http://internaldetours.blogspot.com
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >
> > Mike Schmidt
> > Stirling, NJ
> > USA
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:37:29 +0000
>From: Norris Lockley <norris.lockley@talktalk.net>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Strange Braze-On
>Message-ID: <13704.1174300649@talktalk.net>
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>
>
>
>Tjhe $64,000 go to Russ!
>
>Cycle-camping used to be a very popular sport in the UK, among the likes
> of the CTC who either tended to stop at CTC-registered accommodation or
>si
>mpy pitch a tent, instead of going to Youth Hostels, although, obviously no
>t exclusively so.
>
>The bracket under the top-tube was intended to locate a primus stove at
>a point on the frame where it could be fixed rigidly and relatively unobtru
>sively. This way of carrying the stove was preferred to the alternative of
>stowing the stove in the saddle=bag or pannier, in which there was always
> a danger of parafin seeping out and contaminating spare clothing etc, or
>e
>ven food.
>
>
>
>Those were the days...
>
>
>
>
>
>Norris Lockley . Settle UK
>
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:45:01 EDT
>From: Flushbye@aol.com
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: [CR]Nice 70s Cinelli Speciale on Ebay...
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>
>
>(http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
>_Original Vintage 70s Cinelli Speciale Corsa Road Bike_
>(http://ebay.com/<blah>
>ategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
> 18 $4,050.00
>$65.00 7d 13h 32m
>_http://ebay.com/<blah>
>(http://ebay.com/<blah>
>
>Sorry if this was already mentioned. It's worth taking a look.
>
>Ken Drescher
>Greenville, SC USA
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:16:20 -0400
>From: "Mike Self" <self@fuse.net>
>To: "Gary Watts" <watts.gary@gmail.com>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: Re: [CR]Campy 27.4 seatpost
>Message-ID: <005901c76a31$2cf209f0$0200a8c0@Mike>
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>Gary, I used this post in a lugged 753 Reynolds frameset.
>
>Mike Self
>Cincinnati, OH, USA
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Watts" <watts.gary@gmail.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:49 PM
>Subject: [CR]Campy 27.4 seatpost
>
>
> >I saw a 27.4 NOS Campy seatpost go by on ebay this last week and just
> > finished cleaning one up for a friend. I didn't know there was such an
> > animal. What bike/frame tubing used/uses 27.4?
> >
> > Gary Watts
> > Vancouver, Washington
> > USA
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:28:36 -0800
>From: Steve Maas <bikestuff@nonlintec.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Nice 70s Cinelli Speciale on Ebay...
>Message-ID: <45FEAC24.4040903@nonlintec.com>
>In-Reply-To: <c68.e177224.332fdfcd@aol.com>
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>The seller is the person who sold me my Hetchins Spyder
>(http://www.nonlintec.com/spyder/) about this time last year. I saw it
>briefly when I traveled to the San Francisco area to pick it up. The
>bike seems really nice, although I don't remember details at this point,
>and the seller is a good guy. I'm glad his auction has gone as high as
>it has, so I'm not tempted to buy it. For reference, item 230093091729.
>
>Steve Maas
>Long Beach, CA
>
>
>Flushbye@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >
>(http://ebay.com/<blah>
> >
> > _Original Vintage 70s Cinelli Speciale Corsa Road Bike_
> >
>(http://ebay.com/<blah>
> > ategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
> > 18 $4,050.00
> > $65.00 7d 13h 32m
> > _http://ebay.com/<blah>
> > (http://ebay.com/<blah>
> >
> > Sorry if this was already mentioned. It's worth taking a look.
> >
> > Ken Drescher
> > Greenville, SC USA
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:22:15 EDT
>From: Philcycles@aol.com
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Campy 27.4 seatpost
>Message-ID: <c6e.ccf612a.333004a7@aol.com>
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>531 seat tubes are much happier with 27.4 posts rather than 27.2. 27.2s are
>slightly undrsize, resulting in the all too common crushed seat lug ears.
>Phil Brown
>Sna Rafael., Calif.
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Fred Rafael Rednor <fred_rednor@yahoo.com>
>To: Michael Allison <cyclo_one@verizon.net>, Stronglight49@aol.com
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR] Youth Hostels
>Message-ID: <139083.67411.qm@web30603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> > Bob Hanson wrote:
> >
> > "The following two photos are scans of two
> > postcards which I still have of a British youth
> > hostel at which I spent two nights in 1970.
> > This site was formerly the old City Mill in
> > Winchester, Hampshire, England, originally
> > built on the site of an earlier mill dating
> > back 1000 years."
> >
>That is one fantastic hostel. I have no photos, but I can
>relate that some of the American hostels were of the same theme
>as the joint in Winchester - although not located in such a
>grand edifice.
> For example, the hostel in Putney, Vermont was a converted
>church. But in that case the building was one of those old
>wooden, New England church buildings with white siding. The
>pews had all been removed and the sactuary was divided into 3
>sections - male and female sleeping areas, plus a sort of
>parlor. There was a small kitchen, too, which must have been
>part of the church's original facilities. My daughter's best
>friend is actually from Putney, so I've learned that this
>hostel no longer exists. The building might still exist, but
>if so it's serving another purpose.
> The other Vermont hostel I remember was near one of the ski
>areas - perhaps Stowe or Jay Peak. (Not that any of these
>places are so far apart.) Anyway, this hostel was actually a
>ski lodge in the winter. Now I don't mean ski lodge in modern
>terms. In those days (which really weren't that long ago, were
>they?) there were some really rudimentary lodges in the valleys
>near the Vermont ski mountains. In this place, you slept 3 or
>4 to a room and there were shared baths.
> For some reason, I don't have any strong memories about the
>other hostels in Vermont and New Hampshire. I remember the
>towns - and even the roads - pretty well, but my recollections
>of the hostels themselves seem to have melded together. Even
>the hostel up in Montréal is something of a haze to me right
>now. I remember the façade (the place must have once been a
>very grand town house or small hotel), and the strict "Matron"
>who ran the place, but not much else. (Well, there are aspects
>of the neighborhood I do remember well, but those aren't
>related to cycling. Suffice it to say, the place was located
>near McGill University and the "counter-culture" section of
>town...)
> By the way, the Washington, DC hostel has been at the same
>location since the 1970s at the very least, and is a converted
>hotel. When in DC, it might be worth passing by just to get a
>feel for the place, especially if you've never spent time in a
>youth hostel. It's on K Street, NW, just a few blocks from the
>more famous tourist attractions.
> What I find interesting about his whole discussion is that
>is shows how for so many people on this list, cycling really
>has been a way of life - and not just exercise - even in North
>America.
> Cheers,
> Fred Rednor - Arlington, Virginia (USA)
>
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>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:25:47 EDT
>From: Hughethornton@aol.com
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Really old Moser Bike and Cinelli world champion stripes
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>In a message dated 18/03/2007 23:19:13 GMT Standard Time,
>schmidi@gaponline.de writes:
>
>Hello List,
>Yesterday I got a really old an wheathered light blue lightweight from
>one of my LBS decalled "Cicli Moser Trento". It is a entry level bike
>and i would say it was made in the fifties or sixties. It has a PIVO
>"death-stem"
>
>
>This is the first reference I have seen to a PIVO death stem. There has
>been much correspondence on this list about AVA death stems and one person
>did
>query whether PIVO stems were the same because of a superficially similar
>design, but I am not aware of any confirmation.
>
>PIVO stems were used successfully in competition for many years, notably by
>Jacques Anquetil, and I have never had any qualms about using them on
>various
>Gitanes that I have owned. I currently have 2 PIVO stems showing no signs
>of fracture or impending failure. Does anyone know for sure whether there
>is
>any weakness in the PIVO design?
>
>Hugh Thornton
>Cheshire, England
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