The first multiple speed cassette hubs were launched by Simplex c1935. Their bearings were in the correct position at the end of the axle like Shimano and used slide-on sprockets with a hexagon shape, just the outer was threaded and there were versions taking up to five 3/32in sprockets. Bayliss-Wiley came on the scene in 1938. Trivelox also had a cassette hub available with three (non-sliding) sprockets at about the same time.
And Simplex was also the first with sprung top pivots ... in the 1930s.
Hilary Stone, Bristol, England
ternst wrote:
> And I have a very time line Cassette hub by Fichtel & Sachs from 1950
> that's going on the same vintage Durkopp.
> It does have friction shifting, though, but it's all timeline molto
> correctissimo. OR ELSE!
> Ted Ernst
> Palos Verdes Estates
> CA USA
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerome & Elizabeth Moos"
> <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Syke - Deranged Few M/C" <sykerocker@yahoo.com>; "Classic
> Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Borderline off-topic Campagnolo Victory and Triomphe
>
>
>> I agree with what you propose, although Dale in the past has resisted
>> this, fearful I think, of allowing the "camel's nose into the tent".
>> There is already, of course, a rather loosely defined exception for
>> "KOF" frames, generally meaning lugged steel frames with tube
>> diameters and geometries not radically different from those used
>> before 1983.
>>
>> I also believe that C-Record, Victory/Triomphe, and also Mavic
>> gruppos are more "classic" than modern, but I'm not at all sure the
>> Supreme Listmeister shares that view. In fact he pretty clearly
>> doesn't in regard to Victory/Triomphe.
>>
>> I should point out though, that "cassette" gears are not necessarily
>> Off-Topic. Not only do the the Dura-Ace AX cassettes and (I think)
>> the Maillard Helicomatic predate 1983, but I have a Baylis-Wiley (or
>> is it Wiley-Baylis?) cassette hub from the 60's or maybe even late 50's.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jerry Moos
>> Big Spring, TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Syke - Deranged Few M/C <sykerocker@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Since this is turning into a general thread of
>> discussion, please bear with me while I toss in my
>> point of view.
>>
>> This site has been invaluable to me - having dropped
>> out of EVERYTHING between 1978 and 2005, you guys have
>> been one hell of a help in catching me up on what I
>> missed, both in knowledge and hard parts. What drives
>> me nuts, beyond the inevitable anorak-ish discussion
>> of Masi (bearable) or the proper use of ghetto
>> (please, let that horse die in peace - NOW!!!), is
>> that when I need an answer to something that goes
>> beyond December 31, 1983, I can't get it here.
>>
>> As I write this, out of the six bikes either hanging
>> on the garage wall, or sitting in the back room at
>> work are a late 60's Magneet (my long haul tourer), an
>> early 70's Gitane Tour de France (the bike that tried
>> to kill me), and a mid/late 80's Rossin RL (my
>> absolutely favorite ride). The total significant
>> difference between those three bikes is that the right
>> shift lever on the Rossin goes 'click' when I change
>> gears. Period. Yet I can't ask any questions
>> regarding the bike because it's off-topic.
>>
>> I'd like to suggest a slight broadening of the
>> allowable topics - no, not the classic bike/car bit of
>> 25 years. Doing that, within ten years of starting
>> the transition we'd be so far off-topic that the group
>> no longer has any meaning.
>>
>> What I'd like to suggest is a small allowance for
>> newer technology - as long as we're still talking a
>> lightweight road bike, the frame is lugged (with
>> allowance made for parallel technologies of the same
>> years and intent), the gears do NOT shift from the
>> brake levers, and the rear gearing is not cassette, we
>> make it allowable. Despite the 'radical' changes of
>> 1984, those pre-1990 bikes still had a lot more in
>> common with something made in 1971 than one from 2001.
>>
>> Just tossing out a thread for thought - yeah, my
>> intent is selfish (boy, are there the questions I'm
>> going to ask if we add as little as seven years to the
>> allowable range), but I'm wondering if it wouldn't be
>> a good move overall.
>>
>> Looking forward to hearing other supportive/contrary
>> opinions.
>>
>> George R. "Syke" Paczolt
>> Montpelier, VA USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
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