U.S. Crescent was also a big presence in Sweden,and still Is as a Swedish brand. Some of the turn of the century seat clamp sizes(19 mm) still survive from this era.Art Link,San Antonio,TX,USA
David Toppin <dave@pelletizer.com> wrote: From: "David Toppin" <dave@pelletizer.com> To: <martin@team-ware.de> Subject: RE: AW: [CR]Why is there no German threading? Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:55:16 -0400 CC: 'Classic Rendevous' <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
I don't doubt that, there are lots of Crescents around. I find it hard to believe they produced more bikes than Columbia though. I see many more Columbia bicycles around of that era. I would question the accuracy of the numbers.
1897 was 20 years after the beginning of the bike industry in America. Pope began importing in 1877 and manufacturing in 1878, and extorting $10 per every bike made in America until 1885.
That was my point. The Germans weren't around in the beginning.
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-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Martin Appel Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 10:17 AM Cc: 'Classic Rendevous' Subject: Re: AW: [CR]Why is there no German threading?
Triggered by Marcus Hellmans reply i looked through Horstmanns book again. Crescent of Chicago was founded by german immigrants and had in 1897 an output of 110.000 cycles, making them nr.1 in the world market.
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David Toppin schrieb:
> The Germans weren't really there at the beginning (1880's) of the
> era, Pope, Overman, Spalding, Gormully & Jeffrey . Of course Baron
> von Drais is credited with the invention of the hobby horse, and he
> was German. Some believe there were others before him because his
> machine seems to be too refined to be the first...
>
> Schwinn wasn't around until 1895 when the bicycle industry was in full
> swing. That was the heyday.
>
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> David Toppin
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> Subject: Re: AW: [CR]Why is there no German threading?
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> Sheldon Brown schrieb:
>> Michael Schmid schreib:
>>
>>> My two cents here:
>>> I think the german bicycle industry was at least as big as the
>>> english
>> Not so sure about that, because the English bicycle industry had a
>> very large export market, while the German industry was mainly geared
>> to the domestic market.
>>
>>> and probably bigger than the american inudstry
>> Quite possibly. It's interesting to note that the early U.S.
>> industry was VERY heavily influenced by German immigrants. I'll just
>> mention the names "Schwinn" and "Wald" but there are others that I
>> can't recall from the early part of the 20th century.
>
> A maybe interesting sidenote; i own a book written by young german
> Heinrich Horstmann who rode around the world on a bicycle in 1895.
> When he returned from that juorney he started importing US made "Crescent"
> bicycles to germany...
>
>
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