to all, i stand duely reprimanded and apologize to all for again making my comments too personal, off the point, judgemental, and not in keeping w/ the objective of this wonderful forum....bikes, not gripes...bikes, not gripes...bikes, not gripes. there, i think i'm returning to civility....Paul, i'm sorry to have said those things to you here...off base and highly inappropriate ( the dog kicking comment was not funny, rather it was stupid on my part, and reflects a flaw in MY character ). and Steve, you were correct in your comment to me. thank you Dale for pointing me back to my shutter where i will go hang upside down for awhile. I'll reread the CR rules by moonlight. charlie flaherty ( one of three ) baltimore maryland usa </HTML>