RE> [CR]question re Phil Wood spoke machine


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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:12:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Abraham <daviabraham@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE> [CR]question re Phil Wood spoke machine
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org


hey Tom,

RE> Is there a minimum amount of shortening that this machine can execute? For example, if I have some 302 mm spokes and I want to make then into 300 mm spokes, can I do that?

in my experience, yes!

RE> Will it simply clip off 2mm and roll on an additional 2mm of threads? Would the original threads be "overprinted" or would the dies somehow index to what's there and just add some turns at the bottom?

we do this & it "meshes"

RE> If the original threads are overprinted, what are the implications of this additional cold working?dunno

hth,

Dave Abraham New Wheel ~ Hokie Spokes http://www.hokiespokes.com Beautiful SW Va. voice: (540) 731-1211


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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Simplex retrofriction levers - lubricate? (Steven Willis)

2. Coppi Jr. Sized Bike found on Toronto Craigslist (brian)

3. emories about Campania and more questions... (Dale Brown)

4. Sheldon Brown Memorial Service and Ride (Elton Pope-Lance)

5. question re Phil Wood spoke machine (Tom Dalton)

6. Question re Phil machine (Tom Dalton)

7. Re: emories about Campania and more questions... (George Allen)

8. Was: Hilary's eBay outing. Now: All that & Dave Davey frame

(Dale Brown)

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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:24:48 -0500 From: "Steven Willis" <smwillis@verizon.net> To: "Phil Brown" <philcycles@sbcglobal.net>,

<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: CR <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: Re: [CR]Simplex retrofriction levers - lubricate? Message-ID: <01ec01c87965$a82ba6f0$2c01a8c0@bike1> References: <229177.94176.qm@web38907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

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I am with you on that Phil. I think most ghost shifting is the cause of dirt not oil. Steven Willis The Bike Stand 1778 East Second Street Scotch Plains NJ 07076 908-322-3330 http://www.thebikestand.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Brown" <philcycles@sbcglobal.net> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: "CR" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [CR]Simplex retrofriction levers - lubricate?


>
> On Feb 26, 2008, at 11:26 PM, dan kasha wrote:
>
>> I know that one should not lubricate a campy NR shift
>> lever unless one likes ghost shifting, and this
>> subject has been covered at length here.
>>
>>
> Sorry, I disagree.I put a drop of oil on my fingertip and rub the friction
> disc to lightly coat it before I assemble the shifter. I've done this for
> 35 years and I never have the dreaded ghost shift and my Record shifters
> work smoothly. the plastic ones, no oil.
> Phil Brown
> Nice day in Berkeley, Calif.
>
>

To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Coppi Jr. Sized Bike found on Toronto Craigslist Message-ID: <393922.70559.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 2

Hi All

Spotted this on Toronto Craigslist

Jr sized Coppi complete bike... Campy and Gpm parts.

http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/bik/588444914.html

No relation to the seller, etc...

Brian Frank

Toronto Ont

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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:16:51 -0500 From: Dale Brown <oroboyz@aol.com> To: tom@hughsonumc.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]emories about Campania and more questions... Message-ID: <8CA47840E4603AB-5A4-4AA@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <002001c87837$9e44c2e0$6501a8c0@thomas> References: <002001c87837$9e44c2e0$6501a8c0@thomas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3

Fascinating bits of history, Tom! Thanks so much...

So, let me see if I understand this correctly... Campania was a Japanese made frame set and you folks assembled the bikes in the USA from separate parts?? The frames were from one source or various? I didn't know there was a Pro model, do you recall it's specs (components)?

Do you think we might get some pics of that Pro that you referred to & then maybe I can make a CR page to recall this brand?

Thanks Dale

Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA http://www.classicrendezvous.com

-----Original Message----- From: Thomas Hillman <tom@hughsonumc.com> To: Classic Renedezvous List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:22 am Subject: [CR]Campania Imported by Lloyd Doctor- Memories about Campania

I worked at Campania for about a year and one-half back in the day 1972-1973 in the midst of the Bike Boom.

I am real glad I never took LLoyd up on his offer to hire me full time and make bicycles my carreer.

The bikes were almost fully assembled and only required installing pedals and handlebars when received at the L.B.S.. We put the bikes together and even adjusted the derailleurs and brakes. The warehouse was located off of Victory Blvd in Van Nuys on Hayvenhurst Ave in the San Fernando Valley.

Oh, back to Lloyd Doctor, he and H.C. McIver (his grandfathers name) the name of the company, became a victim of the Bike Bust. He relocated to Seattle and worked for Raliegh for awhile.

I cycled to work the 25 miles one way to work each Saturday and School breaks from Culver City (West Los Angeles) to Van Nuys over Sepulveda Pass. Not a difficult ride but when you are 15 years old it seemed a long way.

The Campania Professional was my first sew-up bike and I rode it everywhere in Los Angeles and Ventura Counties. Your first "good bike" seems like your first serious girl friend, the memories always are better then the reality...

I recently traded a friend for another Campania Professional and it now seems a bit heavy but has steeper head angle and handles crisply.

I sold the original bike to buy a Whitcomb that had the most gorgeous wrap around seat stays, it was imported for an early 1970's L.A. bike show to show off Barrie Whitcombs skills. I still have that bike and it has been restored by Ed Litton after touring with it over 50,000 miles.

(The Doctor's have been long time family friends and I still touch base every couple years. Of course that is how I got the job in the first place as Lloyd was a cousin to my sister's boyfriend at the time.)

Tom "I rode my Fiorelli Track Bike with a Delta front brake today" Hillman Modesto, CA U.S.A.

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To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]question re Phil Wood spoke machine Message-ID: <369320.71992.qm@web55912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5

Is there a minimum amount of shortening that this machine can execute? For example, if I have some 302 mm spokes and I want to make then into 300 mm spokes, can I do that? Will it simply clip off 2mm and roll on an additional 2mm of threads? Would the original threads be "overprinted" or would the dies somehow index to what's there and just add some turns at the bottom? If the original threads are overprinted, what are the implications of this additional cold working?

I've always assumed you need to knock off about 10mm (the typical length of the original threads) but maybe I'm wrong. That sure would be great, because I have a small pile of "vintage" DTs that are just not quite right for some wheels I might want to build. A mm here and 2 mm there and I might be in business.

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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:26:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Dalton <tom_s_dalton@yahoo.com> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Subject: [CR]Question re Phil machine Message-ID: <752474.23173.qm@web55906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6

Sorry, that was from:

Tom Dalton

Bethlehem, PA, USA

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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:42:58 -0500 From: George Allen <jgallen@lexairinc.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]emories about Campania and more questions... Message-ID: <47C5BD42.7020302@lexairinc.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA47840E4603AB-5A4-4AA@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> References: <002001c87837$9e44c2e0$6501a8c0@thomas>

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Is this the animal to which you are referring?

Ebay item # 170197140879 URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Campania-Racing-Road-Bicycle-Campy-Schwinn-NR_W0QQitemZ170197140879QQihZ007QQcategoryZ156524QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

George Allen Lexington,Ky USA

Dale Brown wrote:
> Fascinating bits of history, Tom! Thanks so much...
>
>So, let me see if I understand this correctly... Campania was a Japanese made frame set and you folks assembled the bikes in the USA from separate parts??
>The frames were from one source or various?
>I didn't know there was a Pro model, do you recall it's specs (components)?
>
>Do you think we might get some pics of that Pro that you referred to & then maybe I can make a CR page to recall this brand?
>
>Thanks
>Dale
>
>
>
>
>
>Dale Brown
>Greensboro, North Carolina USA
>http://www.classicrendezvous.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Thomas Hillman <tom@hughsonumc.com>
>To: Classic Renedezvous List <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Sent: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:22 am
>Subject: [CR]Campania Imported by Lloyd Doctor- Memories about Campania
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I worked at Campania for about a year and one-half back in the day
>1972-1973 in the midst of the Bike Boom.
>
>I am real glad I never took LLoyd up on his offer to hire me full time
>and make bicycles my carreer.
>
>The bikes were almost fully assembled and only required installing
>pedals and handlebars when received at the L.B.S.. We put the bikes
>together and even adjusted the derailleurs and brakes. The warehouse
>was located off of Victory Blvd in Van Nuys on Hayvenhurst Ave in the
>San Fernando Valley.
>
>Oh, back to Lloyd Doctor, he and H.C. McIver (his grandfathers name)
>the name of the company, became a victim of the Bike Bust. He relocated
>to Seattle and worked for Raliegh for awhile.
>
>I cycled to work the 25 miles one way to work each Saturday and School
>breaks from Culver City (West Los Angeles) to Van Nuys over Sepulveda
>Pass. Not a difficult ride but when you are 15 years old it seemed a
>long way.
>
>The Campania Professional was my first sew-up bike and I rode it
>everywhere in Los Angeles and Ventura Counties. Your first "good bike"
>seems like your first serious girl friend, the memories always are
>better then the reality...
>
>I recently traded a friend for another Campania Professional and it now
>seems a bit heavy but has steeper head angle and handles crisply.
>
>I sold the original bike to buy a Whitcomb that had the most gorgeous
>wrap around seat stays, it was imported for an early 1970's L.A. bike
>show to show off Barrie Whitcombs skills. I still have that bike and it
>has been restored by Ed Litton after touring with it over 50,000 miles.
>
>(The Doctor's have been long time family friends and I still touch base
>every couple years. Of course that is how I got the job in the first
>place as Lloyd was a cousin to my sister's boyfriend at the time.)


>
>


>Tom "I rode my Fiorelli Track Bike with a Delta front brake today"
>Hillman
>Modesto, CA
>U.S.A.
>
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