My Bates is black with a mid grey head tube. Friends tell me that it would look fine if I rode it in a black single breasted business suit with a grey chalk stripe.
Stuart Tallack Still in West Sussex in the soft underbelly of England
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> 1. Re: MAFAC Dural Forge...$425 and climbing...what gives?
> (Jan Heine)
> 2. "crackle" finish (Harvey Sachs)
> 3. Move to Austin Texas (Art Link)
> 4. RE: "crackle" finish (Howard Darr)
> 5. Fw: Move to Austin Texas (Art Link)
> 6. brown bikes... (Harvey Sachs)
> 7. Re: Looking for a Sturmey-Archer bit (Harvey Sachs)
> 8. re: worst bike color. (dave martinez)
> 9. Condor photos and info needed (Brian Samson)
> 10. Worst bike color... (nelson miller)
> 11. Ebay outing Mine (Deborah kay)
> 12. Re: Worst color for a classic bike... (Mitch Harris)
> 13. Re: Worst color for a classic bike... (Phil Brown)
> 14. Re: brown bikes... (Thomas Adams)
> 15. Re: Worse color for a classic bike... (Jerome & Elizabeth Moos)
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>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:24:46 -0700
>From: Jan Heine <heine94@earthlink.net>
>To: "Via Bicycle" <viabicycle@gmail.com>,
> classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]MAFAC Dural Forge...$425 and climbing...what gives?
>Message-ID: <a06230941c434235531ec@[192.168.1.33]>
>In-Reply-To: <755971e20804221509n2d81a984w1c4fcad77923b21@mail.gmail.com>
>References: <20080422171038.SEOSG.7998.imail@eastrmwml28>
> <75d04b480804221455n7894d8b0l58fc15f9f0dd7929@mail.gmail.com>
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>At 6:09 PM -0400 4/22/08, Via Bicycle wrote:
>>secret=oiler holes! plus they have the earlier hangers. but the oiler
>>holes is the big deal.
>
>Yes, oiler holes were used only one or two years after the brakes
>were introduced in 1952 - until they figured there was no need to oil
>the pivots. Also, the arm shape changed soon after the oiler holes
>were deleted. The earlier arms are more blocky and square in shape -
>see here for a good profile shot
>
>http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/goldenage.html
>
>(bottom of page, click on image for higher resolution).
>
>Jan Heine
>Editor
>Bicycle Quarterly
>140 Lakeside Ave #C
>Seattle WA 98122
>www.bikequarterly.com
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:57:43 -0400
>From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net>
>To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]"crackle" finish
>Message-ID: <480E6D67.3090401@verizon.net>
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>Message: 2
>
>Back in the late 60s, Beloved Spouse received as an engagement present
>from yours truly not a ring, but a somewhat used Atala with cast lugs
>and SP (?) tubing... Her father was a manufacturer of specialty
>electronic equipment, with his own sheet metal shop where the cabinets
>and cases were made. I think that we actually painted one or two bikes
>in his shop in the silver "Hammertone" that was popular on equipment
>cabinets at the time. If instead it was in my imagination, I wish we
>had. The proper hammertones could be had in a lightish blue,
>silver/black, and perhaps other shades. Although they looked like
>hammered metal, the surface was perfectly smooth. As I recall, the
>effect was caused by migration of tiny metal flakes while a solvent in
>the spray evaporated. I wonder if we could do that again...It was
>really quite a nice effect.
>
>harvey sachs
>mcLean va 22101 usa
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Larry Hakim a ecrit :
>
>
>One of THE coolest finishes I've ever seen on ANY bike was an original brow
>n-ish "crackle" finish on a Hetchins circa 1973. Have never seen it on any
>other bike (including other Hetchins) and much more unique and "show-stoppi
>ng" than any Italian bike from the 80's IMO.
>
>Larry Hakim
>Oxford, Mississippi, USA
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:05:20 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Art Link <artlink@columnssanantonio.com>
>To: classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Move to Austin Texas
>Message-ID: <519862.13643.qm@web51601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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>Most of my earlier message was lost in the Yahoo ether. We&n
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>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:10:22 -0400
>From: "Howard Darr" <hdarr@embarqmail.com>
>To: <hsachs@alumni.rice.edu>,
> "'Classic Rendezvous'" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: RE: [CR]"crackle" finish
>Message-ID: <14003B68A54944439E778FDE3DDF8E3C@UserPC>
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>People give me old unwanted bikes and out of ever 2 or 3 I can give away one
>or so. On the really ugly, scratched so on and so forth bikes I've used
>hammer tone paint from a can (Lowes) to make them "better looking" without a
>lot of fuss. Add flat bars and most seem well received.
>
>Really, poor kids don't have an appreciation for patina when everything else
>they have is dented, stained and ill fitting . . .
>
>By the by my wife received a hot rodded Raleigh painted in her favorite
>green and then eventually a ring.
>
>Howard Darr
>Kinsman OH USA
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org
>[mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Harvey Sachs
>Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:58 PM
>To: Classic Rendezvous
>Subject: [CR]"crackle" finish
>
>Back in the late 60s, Beloved Spouse received as an engagement present
>from yours truly not a ring, but a somewhat used Atala with cast lugs
>and SP (?) tubing... Her father was a manufacturer of specialty
>electronic equipment, with his own sheet metal shop where the cabinets
>and cases were made. I think that we actually painted one or two bikes
>in his shop in the silver "Hammertone" that was popular on equipment
>cabinets at the time. If instead it was in my imagination, I wish we
>had. The proper hammertones could be had in a lightish blue,
>silver/black, and perhaps other shades. Although they looked like
>hammered metal, the surface was perfectly smooth. As I recall, the
>effect was caused by migration of tiny metal flakes while a solvent in
>the spray evaporated. I wonder if we could do that again...It was
>really quite a nice effect.
>
>harvey sachs
>mcLean va 22101 usa
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Larry Hakim a ecrit :
>
>
>One of THE coolest finishes I've ever seen on ANY bike was an original brow
>n-ish "crackle" finish on a Hetchins circa 1973. Have never seen it on any
>other bike (including other Hetchins) and much more unique and "show-stoppi
>ng" than any Italian bike from the 80's IMO.
>
>Larry Hakim
>Oxford, Mississippi, USA
>_______________________________________________
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:10:30 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Art Link <artlink@columnssanantonio.com>
>To: classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Fw: Move to Austin Texas
>Message-ID: <490593.56540.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>MIME-Version: 1.0
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>Message: 5
>
>
>
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>
>The Columns on Alamo
>
>Welcome to our bed and
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>
>All rooms have a private bath, TV and telephone.
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>Tue, 4/22/08,
><artlink@columnssanantonio.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>From: Art Link <artlink@columnssanantonio.com>
>Subject: Move to Austin Texas
>To: "classic rendezvous" <classicren
>Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 6:05 PM
>
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>
>Most of my earlie
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:11:04 -0400
>From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net>
>To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
> gpvb1@comcast.net, wheelman@nac.net
>Subject: [CR]brown bikes...
>Message-ID: <480E7088.4020905@verizon.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
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>Message: 6
>
>With all due respect, Ray, in matters of color choice there is little
>"right" or "wrong." Still, I have never been as excited by getting a
>(new to me) bike as my ~1970 Raleigh International, about 1971. It was a
>translucent coffee-over-gold Raleigh color, a year old, and flawless.
>The cast-off of a student who annually changed hobbies, and I got this
>all Campag (except brakes), full '531 DB bike for less than the price of
>a PX-10 (about $160 at the time).
>
>But, as noted earlier today, Beloved spouse had a good bike, her Atala,
>and I was riding my Sears Ted Williams Sport Racing or something like
>that. Campag derailleurs over waterpipe frame. The International was my
>first really good bike since I'd dropped out of school and sold my
>chrome Paramount in 1965. For us starving grad students, the price was a
>fortune. The bike was good, the deal was good. So, how excited was I?
>
>Well, Beloved Spouse remembers me riding the bike around our tenement
>apartment in Providence that evening. Stark naked and stone sober.
>Later, I got some "Kahlua" stickers and epoxied one on the top tube,
>because it just seemed the right thing to do.
>
>I eventually sold the bike in Oregon, and bought a Torpado that better
>fitted my tough-guy racing self-image, but few purchases ever felt so
>good as that brown International. :-)
>
>As they say, your smileage may vary.
>
>harvey sachs
>mcLean va usa
>(counting the weeks until Cirque)
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>This has been eating at me for some time now. There are many colors that I
>do not like on classic bikes. Many come from that period of cultural
>confusion the 80s where the two tone, fade one into another really made
>for some horrible combinations. Still my worse ever single color for a
>classic bicycle is brown. I don't care if it is metallic brown, opaque,
>root beer. Brown is brown and does not enhance either the chrome, the
>saddles or the tires.
>
>There, I got it off my chest, now let the pro brown group chime in.
>
>Ray Homiski
>Elizabeth, NJ
>
>Hey, I resemble that remark! :-)
>
>I know what you mean, but I like my brown Raleigh Pro, and my old coffee
>Super Course, and Raleigh made, what, about 2.7 million 'coffee' (color)
>bikes over the years? (Which may be why brown isn't so well-loved, now
>that I think about it. Sensory overload?).
>
>Plus, those brown Italvegas coulda bin-a bettah color, I feel.....
>
>Greg "what can brown do for you today?" Parker
>Ann Arbor, Michigan
>www.bicycleclassics.com
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:20:33 -0400
>From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net>
>To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
> viabicycle@gmail.com
>Subject: Re: [CR]Looking for a Sturmey-Archer bit
>Message-ID: <480E72C1.8000404@verizon.net>
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>Message: 7
>
>A couple of years ago, Beloved Spouse* and I bought an off-topic tandem
>whose owner suggested that we remove the collected bikes and junk from
>his garage. The collection must have included the contents of some old
>bike shop. I will bring to Cirque a couple of boxes of Sturmey-Archer
>bits and pieces, for sale cheaply. Too many and too diverse to list
>here, and too much trouble to mail out now.
>
>Of course, there is always the possibility that Joel Ralph Flood or Sam
>FitzSimmons or someone else smarter than I am about business will leave
>Cirque with the boxes still nearly full...
>
>harvey sachs
>mcLean va
>*Ok, ok, she won't be mentioned again, at least not today. But it has
>been 40 years married now to the same saint who tolerateth me. and the
>bikes :-)
>
>Richard.
>most bike shops should carry them, still made.
>they sell for a dollar or two. the newer(read 1960s-on) are plastic.
>the older ones were metal.
>joel ralph flood
>philadelphia, PA usa
>
>On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:49 PM, r cielec <teaat4p@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Ahoy !
> >>
> >> Re: the barrel shaped insert/cable stop for the Sturmey-Archer
>fulcrum clip (fulcrum clip is the eccentric top tube clip that looks
>like a cheek stuffed with a plug of tobacco)
> >>
> >> I have need of that insert or suggestion for a Do It Yourself
>substitute (maybe some standard hardware item I can modify. Yeah, if I
>only had a lathe.)
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Richard Cielec
> >> Chicago, Illinois; U.S.A
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:56:52 -0700 (PDT)
>From: dave martinez <dmart84815@yahoo.com>
>To: CR List <ClassicRendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]re: worst bike color.
>Message-ID: <86956.44633.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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>
>Hello All,
>
> About 13 years I placed an order for a Hetchins tandem. How exciting!
> It was fun working out the details and sending them to Hetchins. The final and perhaps one of the more important details was to be the color combo. I wanted to get it right, so over the phone we discussed the colors using a Bob Jackson color chart, which both of us were using as reference. The colors were choosen. An Italian azuro enamel (light blue) main color and flamboyant red panels and headtube, with gold accents. Wow!
> 6 months later the frame arrives. My heart races as I carefully open the box, my stoker wife and our very young boys watch with equal anticipation.
> The bubble wrap is removed to reveal a dark metalic blue with flamboyant red contrasting panels and head tube. The blue was wrong! Way off, and the colors clashed-terribly. I tried mounting components in hopes that a Campagnolo crank or NR seatpost with a Brooks would bring out the any hidden beauty in this unlikely combo. The parts did nothing to soften the impact. I called David, he apologised and I sent the frame back to England for a respray.
> This time I made it simple, main color flamboyant red with contrasting pearl ivory panels and head lug (remember that Matchbox XKE Jaguar?).
> 2 months later when the frame arrived for the second time. Me and my little audience let out a little applause, "it looked simply smashing" as our Brit brothers would say.
>
> Regards,
> David Martinez
> Fremont Ca
> US of A
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:03:49 -0700
>From: Brian Samson <brsamson@telus.net>
>To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Condor photos and info needed
>Message-ID: <E105DCD3-267F-4F03-A9BA-7802397B082F@telus.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
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>
>I recently bought a 1950s Condor road frame, and am trying to find
>photos showing original decals and paint schemes. I checked the Wool
>Jersey gallery but the Condors there seem to be newer. Also, can
>anyone tell me what components would typically have been used on this
>frame? It seems like a racing frame - very lightweight with thin
>stays, lugs similar to Nervex, and AGRAT dropouts. If there are any
>Condor experts out there who can help me identify this frame and give
>me some suggestions about restoring it, I would greatly appreciate
>hearing from you! Hilary Stone (whom I bought it from) has identified
>it as 1950s.
>
>Brian Samson
>Vancouver, BC, Canada
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:07:36 -0700
>From: nelson miller <nelsmiller@msn.com>
>To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Worst bike color...
>Message-ID: <BAY116-W30429F90973AD3FA61A85AC2E30@phx.gbl>
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>
>Group --- My candidate for this honor was a very nice Carlton that I was g
>iven at a garage sale years ago.. it was original paint in root beer with
> a celeste head tube and seat tube panel. Not nice. It looks much better
> in BRG with cream panels now ...
>
>I don't mind brown at all, in fact I recently fixed up and properly backda
>ted a Bianchi Specialissima that the owner had painted a Porsche color call
>ed "Togo Brown", a nice mid range opaque color... looked very nice to me, b
>ut a far cry from the original, I am sure.
>
>Cheers -- Nelson Miller // Seattle, WA // USA
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:11:19 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Deborah kay <debby48@yahoo.com>
>To: bike list <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
>Subject: [CR]Ebay outing Mine
>Message-ID: <561513.90556.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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>
> Good evening,,
>
> I have some items listed on ebay,, Hoping you will take the time to look,,
>
> Look cycling shoes
>
> Detto Pietro cycling shoes
>
> Marresi cycling shoes
>
> Diadora cycling shoes
>
> Campy Record wheel ( with Hugi Hub )
>
> Campy peddles
>
> 3tt Record stem Nos.
>
> My ebay name is sweetwinds4u Thank you,,
>
> I will be listing more items Deborah McDonald
> Brighton, Michigan U.S.A
>
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:43:44 -0600
>From: "Mitch Harris" <mitch.harris@gmail.com>
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR] Worst color for a classic bike...
>Message-ID: <8801bb250804221743n24fd9fd9nbed7453155b11054@mail.gmail.com>
>In-Reply-To: <042220081937.1569.480E3E8C000042DC000006212215593414CE0D909F09@comcast.net>
>References: <042220081937.1569.480E3E8C000042DC000006212215593414CE0D909F09@comcast.net>
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>
>> This has been eating at me for some time now. There are many colors that I
>> do not like on classic bikes. Many come from that period of cultural
>> confusion the 80s where the two tone, fade one into another really made
>> for some horrible combinations. Still my worse ever single color for a
>> classic bicycle is brown. I don't care if it is metallic brown, opaque,
>> root beer. Brown is brown and does not enhance either the chrome, the
>> saddles or the tires.
>>
>> There, I got it off my chest, now let the pro brown group chime in.
>>
>
>Worst color has to be Molteni sausage colored orange-brown. And yet
>it's one of my favorites. Just shows how context changes how we see
>color.
>
>Mitch Harris
>Little Rock Canyon, Utah USA
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:03:08 -0700
>From: Phil Brown <philcycles@sbcglobal.net>
>Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR] Worst color for a classic bike...
>Message-ID: <1375758ee500217eb6e19cbce5909e92@sbcglobal.net>
>In-Reply-To: <8801bb250804221743n24fd9fd9nbed7453155b11054@mail.gmail.com>
>References:
> <042220081937.1569.480E3E8C000042DC000006212215593414CE0D909F09@comcast.net>
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>
>Black. I had two-didn't learn the first time. Black shows every speck
>of dirt on the bike.
>Phil Brown
>Had a black Eisentraut and a black Colnago that I bought in Berkeley,
>Calif where I now live.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:37:37 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Thomas Adams <thomasthomasa@yahoo.com>
>To: hsachs@alumni.rice.edu,
> Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>,
> gpvb1@comcast.net, wheelman@nac.net
>Subject: Re: [CR]brown bikes...
>Message-ID: <774123.79685.qm@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>In-Reply-To: <480E7088.4020905@verizon.net>
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>Naked Kahlua Providence International Apartment Criterium. I'm going to sleep like a baby tonight with that image in my head.
>
> Tom Adams
> Little Apple Kansas (Manhattan, ya'll), USA
>
>Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net> wrote:
> With all due respect, Ray, in matters of color choice there is little
>"right" or "wrong." Still, I have never been as excited by getting a
>(new to me) bike as my ~1970 Raleigh International, about 1971. It was a
>translucent coffee-over-gold Raleigh color, a year old, and flawless.
>The cast-off of a student who annually changed hobbies, and I got this
>all Campag (except brakes), full '531 DB bike for less than the price of
>a PX-10 (about $160 at the time).
>
>But, as noted earlier today, Beloved spouse had a good bike, her Atala,
>and I was riding my Sears Ted Williams Sport Racing or something like
>that. Campag derailleurs over waterpipe frame. The International was my
>first really good bike since I'd dropped out of school and sold my
>chrome Paramount in 1965. For us starving grad students, the price was a
>fortune. The bike was good, the deal was good. So, how excited was I?
>
>Well, Beloved Spouse remembers me riding the bike around our tenement
>apartment in Providence that evening. Stark naked and stone sober.
>Later, I got some "Kahlua" stickers and epoxied one on the top tube,
>because it just seemed the right thing to do.
>
>I eventually sold the bike in Oregon, and bought a Torpado that better
>fitted my tough-guy racing self-image, but few purchases ever felt so
>good as that brown International. :-)
>
>As they say, your smileage may vary.
>
>harvey sachs
>mcLean va usa
>(counting the weeks until Cirque)
>
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>This has been eating at me for some time now. There are many colors that I
>do not like on classic bikes. Many come from that period of cultural
>confusion the 80s where the two tone, fade one into another really made
>for some horrible combinations. Still my worse ever single color for a
>classic bicycle is brown. I don't care if it is metallic brown, opaque,
>root beer. Brown is brown and does not enhance either the chrome, the
>saddles or the tires.
>
>There, I got it off my chest, now let the pro brown group chime in.
>
>Ray Homiski
>Elizabeth, NJ
>
>Hey, I resemble that remark! :-)
>
>I know what you mean, but I like my brown Raleigh Pro, and my old coffee
>Super Course, and Raleigh made, what, about 2.7 million 'coffee' (color)
>bikes over the years? (Which may be why brown isn't so well-loved, now
>that I think about it. Sensory overload?).
>
>Plus, those brown Italvegas coulda bin-a bettah color, I feel.....
>
>Greg "what can brown do for you today?" Parker
>Ann Arbor, Michigan
>www.bicycleclassics.com
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>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:59:03 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
>To: wheelman@nac.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR]Worse color for a classic bike...
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>
>Well, there is brown and there is brown.
>
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/
>
> Here is my Austro-Daimler Superleicht on the CR website, Originally tan, but the late Ray Gasorowski, builder of Romic Cycles, repainted it chocolate brown but preserving the tan on panels with the original decals. Personally, I like it, but maybe that's only because it reminds me of Ray.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, Texas, USA
>
>
>
>
>wheelman@nac.net wrote:
> This has been eating at me for some time now. There are many colors that I
>do not like on classic bikes. Many come from that period of cultural
>confusion the 80s where the two tone, fade one into another really made
>for some horrible combinations. Still my worse ever single color for a
>classic bicycle is brown. I don't care if it is metallic brown, opaque,
>root beer. Brown is brown and does not enhance either the chrome, the
>saddles or the tires.
>
>There, I got it off my chest, now let the pro brown group chime in.
>
>Ray Homiski
>Elizabeth, NJ
>
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>End of Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 64, Issue 92
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