Re: [CR]Real or Fake Panto?

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From: "John Murray" <jmu01288@bigpond.net.au>
To: accobra <accobra@peoplepc.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Real or Fake Panto?
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:55:50 +1000
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Hello Mark and all,Interesting that you have brought this subject up,the Colnago pantografata stem currently on ebay is a nice replica to the original but is not exact,i have a Colnago Pantografata and the small details are as follows,the club on the ebay stem has a flat bottom on the club where the original is curved on all of the clubs on the stem,brake levers,seat post and chainring,the Colnago script is too large where the original is small in size and length,and lastly the stem itself should be nutted not the mid 70s allen key version ,the seller is great to deal with and obviously has a panto machine but is now sending the cat amongst the pigeons IMO when years down the track who will know what is original,not that it is a real problem i guess,but those who want the real deal will have to do more reasearch and not pay too much for a replica,although the Pantografata gear is super scarce,here is a link to my Pantografata if you want to check out the real deal for future reference http://www.flickr.com/photos/nelson12030/ and while i`m on the soap box i would like to wish all listmembers a safe and Merry Christmas and i hope Santa pops that rare vintage bike in your stocking,all the best for 2009 John Murray Caloundra Qld Australia [where it is vey hot at the moment]


----- Original Message -----
From: accobra
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 5:59 AM
Subject: [CR]Real or Fake Panto?



>I recently bought a 1970's Colnago and I'd like to dress it up with a few
>early panto items. The following eBay seller has a neat stem but the size
>of the "Colnago" writing on the side is somewhat larger than what I'm used
>to seeing for this vintage. Then I got to looking at his other auctions
>and it seems he has an unusually high number of panto items.
>
> Below are some links to some of his current & sold items in the last month
> or two. There are so many and in styles I've never seen that I'm
> concerned that the pantos have been added recently. I would rather be
> wrong about all this because I like some of it. But I don't want to pay
> real money for something that's been recently created to look old &
> original.
>
> Here's the Colnago stem I have an interest in:
> http://tinyurl.com/3troqz
>
> He had another one just like it a week or two ago:
> http://tinyurl.com/52rdjt
>
> How about handlebars with this Colnago logo engraved on them?
> http://tinyurl.com/4fkzfn
>
> Campy Super Record Colnago rear derailleur?
> http://tinyurl.com/4qrcqx
>
> Bianchi chainring that looks like this?
> http://tinyurl.com/4mh9et
>
> Colnago shift levers. He's sold several pairs of these. The flat
> surfaces look much fresher than the rest of the shifter:
> http://tinyurl.com/3emfoh
>
> Old Campy pedals with panto & newer signature?
> http://tinyurl.com/3suw5t
>
> Would DeRosa do it this way?
> http://tinyurl.com/54nl82
>
> More DeRosa. Pedals:
> http://tinyurl.com/4sfprs
>
> Same picture, different auction for Colnago shifters. Is he manufacturing
> these...?
> http://tinyurl.com/4jth6k
>
> Another very odd style Colnago panto item. Shift levers:
> http://tinyurl.com/3h6eup
>
> I've never seen a Masi seatpost look like this:
> http://tinyurl.com/3nasuy
>
> There's more but you get the point. Thoughts & comments? Should I bet
> the farm or run the other way?
>
> Mark Winkelman
> Dallas, Texas USA