Re: [CR]Real or Fake Panto?

(Example: Framebuilders:Dario Pegoretti)

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:57:58 -0500
From: "Harry Travis" <travis.harry@gmail.com>
To: <haxixe@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Real or Fake Panto?
In-Reply-To: <75d04b480812171225r4d0f5e8ai9c995da1d89c4a8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2C960674506A44A8BF3F30BDCACBBAED@MarkPC> <4BCA268B-2775-4010-AF77-358C171D101C@sisuhome.com>
cc: "<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

What is an authentic pantograph on a bicycle part?

Harry Travis Washington, DC USA

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Kurt Sperry <haxixe@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've wondered the same about some of the panto items I've seen on Ebay.
> The
> thing is, look at the prices most of these cited items got. Most couldn't
> possibly cover the cost of both the part and the expense of pantographing
> them. Why make "tribute" pieces if there's no apparent potential profit?
>
> Kurt Sperry
> Bellingham, Washington USA
>
> 2008/12/17 Mark Buswell <mark@sisuhome.com>
>
> > Ive thought the same thing about ebay seller "radmatrose". Something
> doesnt
> > quite look right and he has lots of quantities. Can anyone confirm or
> deny?
> >
> > Mark buswell
> > Sf, ca, usa
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Dec 17, 2008, at 11:59, "accobra" <accobra@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> >
> > I recently bought a 1970's Colnago and I'd like to dress it up with a
> few
> >> early panto items. The following eBay seller has a neat stem but the
> size
> >> of the "Colnago" writing on the side is somewhat larger than what I'm
> used
> >> to seeing for this vintage. Then I got to looking at his other auctions
> and
> >> it seems he has an unusually high number of panto items.
> >>
> >> Below are some links to some of his current & sold items in the last
> month
> >> or two. There are so many and in styles I've never seen that I'm
> concerned
> >> that the pantos have been added recently. I would rather be wrong about
> all
> >> this because I like some of it. But I don't want to pay real money for
> >> something that's been recently created to look old & original.
> >>
> >> Here's the Colnago stem I have an interest in:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/3troqz
> >>
> >> He had another one just like it a week or two ago:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/52rdjt
> >>
> >> How about handlebars with this Colnago logo engraved on them?
> >> http://tinyurl.com/4fkzfn
> >>
> >> Campy Super Record Colnago rear derailleur?
> >> http://tinyurl.com/4qrcqx
> >>
> >> Bianchi chainring that looks like this?
> >> http://tinyurl.com/4mh9et
> >>
> >> Colnago shift levers. He's sold several pairs of these. The flat
> >> surfaces look much fresher than the rest of the shifter:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/3emfoh
> >>
> >> Old Campy pedals with panto & newer signature?
> >> http://tinyurl.com/3suw5t
> >>
> >> Would DeRosa do it this way?
> >> http://tinyurl.com/54nl82
> >>
> >> More DeRosa. Pedals:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/4sfprs
> >>
> >> Same picture, different auction for Colnago shifters. Is he
> manufacturing
> >> these...?
> >> http://tinyurl.com/4jth6k
> >>
> >> Another very odd style Colnago panto item. Shift levers:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/3h6eup
> >>
> >> I've never seen a Masi seatpost look like this:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/3nasuy
> >>
> >> There's more but you get the point. Thoughts & comments? Should I bet
> >> the farm or run the other way?
> >>
> >> Mark Winkelman
> >> Dallas, Texas USA