There's a fundamental brain chemistry flaw swimming within people's emotional desire to win an item they're bidding for and it's _that_ which artificially inflates the end price. Sniping is not the cause, it's the cure. You look the auction over, pick your 'I will pay' price and then ignore the run-up. Check back after the dramas over, as it were.
Danny Gonzalez NYC
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: Confente decals on ebay (devotion finesse) 2. RE: cleaning leather saddles (John Betmanis) 3. Re: Taylor Brothers video excerpt. (John Betmanis) 4. Free two pair used sew up rims + shipping cost (Charles F Nighbor) 5. WTB = Wanted to Buy - Nuovo/Super Record Front Braze-On Body (Kevin Kruger) 6. Ebay ethics, last minute bidding, sniping etc.... (Bianca Pratorius) 7. Re: Ebay ethics, last minute bidding, sniping etc.... (Derek Willburn) 8. Re: cleaning leather saddles (Dan Kehew) 9. FS: New 3T and Cinelli quill stems (Retrofan531) 10. for sale.last of wheel sets.and some rims. 11. WTB Modolo Anatomic Gum Hoods (Marc St. Martin) 12. Re: Ebay ethics, last minute bidding, sniping etc.... (ehbusch) 13. Re: Ebay ethics, last minute bidding, sniping etc.... (John Betmanis) 14. Re: Confente and Baylis decals on ebay (Dale Brown) 15. Re: Ebay ethics, last minute bidding, sniping etc.... (Dale Brown)
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:17:29 -0500 From: devotion finesse To: Bob Freitas , CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS Subject: RE: [CR]Confente decals on ebay Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47C06AE4.3020403@pacbell.net> References: <47C06AE4.3020403@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1
These from the same seller aint half bad either!
http://ebay.com/
Matthew Bowne Brooklyn, New York
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> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:50:12 -0800
> From: freitas1@pacbell.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Confente decals on ebay
>
>
> Might be your chance to own a confente item at less than $8000
> BOB FREITAS
> getting ready for a Big Storm in usually balmy
> MILL VALLEY, CA USA
>
>
>
http://ebay.com/
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:17:48 -0500 From: John Betmanis To: Subject: RE: [CR]cleaning leather saddles Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20080223151748.015339e0@mailhost.oxford.net> In-Reply-To: References: <8CA42FD9E19DAC0-938-1768@webmail-ne16.sysops.aol.com> <8CA42FD9E19DAC0-938-1768@webmail-ne16.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2
At 12:51 AM 23/02/2008 +0000, Tom Harriman wrote: > > A good souses of information about this would be a local horse and saddle s > hop. A good horse saddle can start at 5,000 dollars, and go up from there. > Horse people take really good care of there saddles.
While stuff for horse saddles may clean, preserve and make the leather look nice, it still doesn't mean it's ideal for bike saddles. A bike saddle top is a structural part of the saddle in tension. You don't want it to stretch more than it was designed to.
John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada ------------------------------
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:53:13 -0500 From: John Betmanis To: Subject: Re: [CR]Taylor Brothers video excerpt. Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20080223155313.015339e0@mailhost.oxford.net> In-Reply-To: <000e01c87645$9b506f60$4101a8c0@user739ccd71cc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3
At 05:57 PM 23/02/2008 -0000, Nic Henderson wrote:
> Hi All, With encouragement from Bob Freeman I have been busy
> digitising some VHS tapes and putting them on Youtube. I have
> just done a tape sent to me by Patrik Tegner about the Taylors
> showing Norman and Jack building a frame. Also shown is Cinelli
> frame builder Mario Camilotto in a clean workshop creating a
> Cinelli frame, Mario uses 'angle patterns and feeler gauges' to
> check his frames as opposed to the Taylor Brothers who 'eye up'
> the newly brazed frame by a window to make sure it is aligned
> correctly. The Raleigh lightweight cycle division in Nottingham
> are also shown briefly. This is not the 'Bike Brothers' video
> (which I shall put on YouTube shortly). I always wondered who
> built the Cinelli frames, I wonder if he created the 'Laser'
> frames? I always thought they were 'born'!! Enjoy!
>
> http://uk.youtube.com/
Very nice! By coincidence, Dave Moulton just recently did a blog entry on framebuilding techniques, where he also goes into the brazing sequence an dhow it affects frame alignment.
http://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/
John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada ------------------------------
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:32:19 -0800 From: "Charles F Nighbor" To: Subject: [CR]Free two pair used sew up rims + shipping cost Message-ID: <00c901c87663$923c89e0$0347fea9@gatewaygpcezcz> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4
Has I don't ride sewups and I got two bicycles with them I am giving away free two pair of used sew ups rims plus cost of shipping 1. Pair one MAVIC GL330 32h Brake Rim factory surface still intact. Double eyelets 2. ARAYA Aero 1 World Champion 36H Brake Surface has some brake wear. Washers that hold nipple are loose and I may have lost or two. Charles Nighbor Walnut Creek, CA
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:45:24 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Kruger To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]WTB = Wanted to Buy - Nuovo/Super Record Front Braze-On Body Message-ID: <334650.8200.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5
Looking for a Nuovo/Super Record front derailleur braze-on body only.
Please contact me offlist with your price if you can help.
Thanks in advance! Kevin Kruger - Grantville, PA
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:48:11 -0500 From: Bianca Pratorius To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]Ebay ethics, last minute bidding, sniping etc.... Message-ID: <795cbc3759450f18fe28f4331639a1ce@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6
After losing three auctions in a row, being outbid in the last five seconds each time, I've had it. I joined the crowd but I must say, I really don't like it. Ebay has changed so much over the last two years. About that time, I noticed that people would bid up the item mostly during the last hour. The next year it seemed that items were getting bid up during the last fifteen minutes. This year it's gotten worse - much worse. Even newbies to ebay are using special software which enables them to get an advantage over guys that played by the rules (like me). Today I became an card carrying sniper. My bids will be placed electronically and it will be my guy's computer software against theirs. So what's changed? Nothing, we just upped the ante like countries building up nuclear arsenals to combat the other guy's arsenals. And by the way this business about late winter being the season where people buy items to get ready for spring therefore the prices rise. They do, but my experience is that they don't go down again. They just rise. Bah! $800 for a cracked (possibly irreparably) seat lugged Masi 3V with Dura Ace? Thank goodness there are list members like Charles Nighbor who are still willing to give a guy a good deal on an old bike. Thanks to him but I'm ready to give up on ebay ... until I need something badly ... again.
Garth Libre in Miami Fl USA
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:59:42 -0800 (PST) From: Derek Willburn To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay ethics, last minute bidding, sniping etc.... Message-ID: <148336.75769.qm@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <795cbc3759450f18fe28f4331639a1ce@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 7
Sniping has nothing to do with it. If you get beaten on ebay, it's because someone else was willing to pay more than you -pretty simple. Derek Willburn Long Beach, CA USA
--- Bianca Pratorius wrote:
> After losing three auctions in a row, being outbid
> in the last five seconds each time, I've had it. I joined the crowd
> but I must say, I really don't like it. Ebay has changed so much
over
> the last two years. About that time, I noticed that people would
bid up
> the item mostly during the last hour. The next year it seemed that
> items were getting bid up during the last fifteen minutes. This
year
> it's gotten worse - much worse. Even newbies to ebay are using
special
> software which enables them to get an advantage over guys that
> played by the rules (like me). Today I became an card carrying
sniper.
> My bids will be placed electronically and it will be my guy's
> computer software against theirs. So what's changed? Nothing, we
just upped
> the ante like countries building up nuclear arsenals to combat the
> other guy's arsenals. And by the way this business about late
> winter being the season where people buy items to get ready for
> spring therefore the prices rise. They do, but my experience is
that they
> don't go down again. They just rise. Bah! $800 for a cracked
> (possibly irreparably) seat lugged Masi 3V with Dura Ace? Thank
goodness
> there are list members like Charles Nighbor who are still willing
> to give a guy a good deal on an old bike. Thanks to him but I'm
ready to
> give up on ebay ... until I need something badly ... again.
>
> Garth Libre in Miami Fl USA
>
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:07:24 -0800 From: "Dan Kehew" To: "John Betmanis" Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]cleaning leather saddles Message-ID: <8c14bd140802231507t14920c49ia552dc97acd1c08@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20080223151748.015339e0@mailhost.oxford.net> References: <8CA42FD9E19DAC0-938-1768@webmail-ne16.sysops.aol.com>
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With comments regarding structural integrity in mind, I'll mention one of my favorite products for leather goods OTHER than saddles: Chelsea Leather Food. Use it on your leather cycling shoes, for sure. But I won't use it on my saddles....
Dan (happy feet) Kehew Davis California USA ------------------------------
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:57:55 -0600 From: "Retrofan531" To: "classic list" Subject: [CR]FS: New 3T and Cinelli quill stems Message-ID: <034901c87677$e9f766f0$1204f918@home1fankkhk9z> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9
These are new 1" quill road stems, all are silver, all are very pretty, and all are the same price at $35 shipped each with me picking up shipping costs for fellow list members.
(6) 3T Synthesis 25.8 clamp, 110 length (4) 3T Synthesis 25.8 clamp, 120 length (2) Cinelli Oyster, 26.0 clamp, 120 length
Frank Phillips McAlester, OK
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:56:01 EST From: Rnitro1969@aol.com To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]for sale.last of wheel sets.and some rims. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10
greetings
this the lst of the dark rimmed wheels whats left will be broken for hubs. some are in better shape than other as kinda indicated by price but ill give more details in interested. everything is 700c except the weinmann
1 mavic 32 hole hubs small flange laced to mavic open 4 cd clincher rims $100.00 shipped u.s.
2 mavic ma 40 clincher rims 36 hole. laced to a performance rear and a campy small flange record front hub. $50.00 shipped u.s.
3 28 hole fiamme ergal 700c tubular single rim. $30.00 shipped.
4 weinmann concave 48 hole 27 x 1 1/4 single rim. alloy finish. $30.00 shipped u.s.
5 mavic ssc 32 hole tubular wheels laced to campy sr small flange hubs. $100.00 shipped u.s.
6 offmega 36 hole small flangehubs laced to ambrosio synthesis tubular rims nice shape. 70.00 shipped u.s.
7 mavic gp4 32 hole rim tubular laced campy record hubs small flange single front wheel $50.00 shipped u.s.
8 single front wheel ambrosio montreal tubular 32 hole laced to a campy sr hub small flange. good shape. $50.00 shipped u.s.
9 mavic gp4 36 hole tubular rims laced to campy sr small flange hubs. $75.00 shipped u.s.
10 ambrosio montreal 32 hole tubular rims laced to campy sr small flange hubs good shape $75.00 shipped u.s.
11 campy large flange 36 hole hubs laced to mavic gp4 tubular rims with 5 speed freewheel. $125.00 shipped u.s.
12 unknown rims?? they are either mavic or ambrosio.36 hole tubular rims laced to campy large flange 36 hole hubs with 6 speed freewheel real nice. $125.00 shipped u.s.
thanks again robbie fellows lakewood,ca.
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:59:20 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: "Marc St. Martin" To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]WTB Modolo Anatomic Gum Hoods Message-ID: <14692761.1203811160800.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.ne t> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: "Marc St. Martin" Message: 11
Hello Listmembers,
I am looking for a fresh pair of Modolo anatomic hoods in the natural gum color for a project. Thank you.
Marc St. Martin Livermore, CA ------------------------------
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:00:54 -0500 From: "ehbusch" To: "Derek Willburn" ,
Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay ethics, last minute bidding, sniping etc.... Message-ID: <000501c87678$53afea90$6400a8c0@OFFICE1> References: <148336.75769.qm@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12
I agree. Sometimes your last secound bid has to be well thought out. Your final price still has to beat everyone elses last secound bid. I've put in several last secound bids that were thirty dollars above the existing bid only to have that bid rejected, because someone elses last secound bid might have bid forty dollars. Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you... In my opinnion It's not worht getting upset about..Win some lose some.....
Ed Busch Vonore Tennessee USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Willburn" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay ethics, last minute bidding, sniping etc....
> Sniping has nothing to do with it. If you get beaten
> on ebay, it's because someone else was willing to pay
> more than you -pretty simple.
> Derek Willburn
> Long Beach, CA USA
>
> --- Bianca Pratorius wrote:
>
>> After losing three auctions in a row, being outbid
>> in the last five
>> seconds each time, I've had it. I joined the crowd
>> but I must say, I
>> really don't like it. Ebay has changed so much over
>> the last two years.
>> About that time, I noticed that people would bid up
>> the item mostly
>> during the last hour. The next year it seemed that
>> items were getting
>> bid up during the last fifteen minutes. This year
>> it's gotten worse -
>> much worse. Even newbies to ebay are using special
>> software which
>> enables them to get an advantage over guys that
>> played by the rules
>> (like me). Today I became an card carrying sniper.
>> My bids will be
>> placed electronically and it will be my guy's
>> computer software against
>> theirs. So what's changed? Nothing, we just upped
>> the ante like
>> countries building up nuclear arsenals to combat the
>> other guy's
>> arsenals. And by the way this business about late
>> winter being the
>> season where people buy items to get ready for
>> spring therefore the
>> prices rise. They do, but my experience is that they
>> don't go down
>> again. They just rise. Bah! $800 for a cracked
>> (possibly irreparably)
>> seat lugged Masi 3V with Dura Ace? Thank goodness
>> there are list
>> members like Charles Nighbor who are still willing
>> to give a guy a good
>> deal on an old bike. Thanks to him but I'm ready to
>> give up on ebay ...
>> until I need something badly ... again.
>>
>> Garth Libre in Miami Fl USA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>>
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:01:36 -0500 From: John Betmanis To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay ethics, last minute bidding, sniping etc.... Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20080223190136.015339e0@mailhost.oxford.net> In-Reply-To: <148336.75769.qm@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <795cbc3759450f18fe28f4331639a1ce@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13
At 02:59 PM 23/02/2008 -0800, Derek Willburn wrote: > Sniping has nothing to do with it. If you get beaten > on ebay, it's because someone else was willing to pay > more than you -pretty simple.
Well, yes and no. Lately I've been manually sniping in the last half minute or so, but my maximum bid has been what I'd made up my mind beforehand that the item was worth to me. Sure, I could have entered that bid anytime, but I've held off because so many folks get caught up in the chase and go over what they originally figured was a reasonable maximum just to get the item for an exhorbitant price. Some might even keep bidding to drive the price up beyond what they would ever pay just to screw another bidder with deep pockets who wants the item even more. In my opinion, that's quite counterproductive because it artificially drives up price of that particular item and affects future auctions. But that's how eBay wants it. They want people to pay more than they really think the item is worth. Otherwise, they could just make it a silent auction where everyone enters their maximum bid with the highest one winning the item and no emotions involved. I much prefer entering my maximum as late as is possible with my computer and connection and take my chances. If someone else outbids me a second from the end with the help of software, so be it. Those using sniping aids have already predetermined the maximum they will pay. If it's more than I'd pay, good luck to them. There's more fish in the sea.
John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada ------------------------------
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:01:40 -0500 From: Dale Brown To: devotion_finesse@hotmail.com, freitas1@pacbell.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Confente and Baylis decals on ebay Message-ID: <8CA448F90E38B6E-C3C-71D@webmail-me10.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: References: <47C06AE4.3020403@pacbell.net>
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I have a couple of old beater bikes that those Confente and Baylis decals would look great on! (Arrgghhh! A builder's worst fear?)
Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA
-----Original Message----- From: devotion finesse To: Bob Freitas ; CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS
Sent: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 3:17 pm Subject: RE: [CR]Confente decals on ebay
These from the same seller aint half bad either!
http://ebay.com/
Matthew Bowne Brooklyn, New York
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> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:50:12 -0800
> From: freitas1@pacbell.net
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: [CR]Confente decals on ebay
>
>
> Might be your chance to own a confente item at less than $8000
> BOB FREITAS
> getting ready for a Big Storm in usually balmy
> MILL VALLEY, CA USA
>
>
>
http://ebay.com/
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:07:08 -0500 From: Dale Brown To: biankita@comcast.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR]Ebay ethics, last minute bidding, sniping etc.... Message-ID: <8CA449054A194B5-C3C-736@webmail-me10.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <795cbc3759450f18fe28f4331639a1ce@comcast.net> References: <795cbc3759450f18fe28f4331639a1ce@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15
<< Even newbies to ebay are using special software which enables them to get an advantage over guys that played by the rules (like me). Today I became an card carrying sniper. >>
Two problems here...
- Just because you don't like it doesn't make sniping against the rules. In fact, it is distinctly within the rules and just playing the game as craftily as one can. ...
- The victim in this sniping scenario is the sellers (and eBay itself) who are deprived of the emotional interaction of the auction phenomenon and thereby gets a lower price.
Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina? USA
-----Original Message----- From: Bianca Pratorius To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 5:48 pm Subject: [CR]Ebay ethics, last minute bidding, sniping etc....
After losing three auctions in a row, being outbid in the last five seconds each time, I've had it. I joined the crowd but I must say, I really don't like it. Ebay has changed so much over the last two years. About that time, I noticed that people would bid up the item mostly during the last hour. The next year it seemed that items were getting bid up during the last fifteen minutes. This year it's gotten worse - much worse. Even newbies to ebay are using special software which enables them to get an advantage over guys that played by the rules (like me). Today I became an card carrying sniper. My bids will be placed electronically and it will be my guy's computer software against theirs. So what's changed? Nothing, we just upped the ante like countries building up nuclear arsenals to combat the other guy's arsenals. And by the way this business about late winter being the season where people buy items to get ready for spring therefore the prices rise. They do, but my experience is that they don't go down again. They just rise. Bah! $800 for a cracked (possibly irreparably) seat lugged Masi 3V with Dura Ace? Thank goodness there are list members like Charles Nighbor who are still willing to give a guy a good deal on an old bike. Thanks to him but I'm ready to give up on ebay ... until I need something badly ... again.? ?
Garth Libre in Miami Fl USA? ?
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