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NEW. Schwinn Paramount bike.Bicycling Dec 2008.(win One!)?KOF? Looks pretty neat to me.$7k value 953 tubes. Nervex etc. top of?seat stays looks interesting. BUT Shimano equip? Any comments from you die hard Schwinn Paramount owners. Cheers John Crump OldwifehasaSchwinnfromthe50sBrit, Parker. Co USA

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Today's Topics:

1. Paramount A685, eBay 150320188264 (Harvey Sachs) 2. German Translation (LouDeeter@aol.com) 3. Re: Paramount A685, eBay 150320188264 (P J Rutledge) 4. Neat city bike from the 40's sells at just over $1350 (Steven Maasland) 5. Have fun identifying another set of mystery British forks! (Dr. Paul Williams) 6. Westminster MD swap Feb 8. (Tom Martin) 7. bikes for sale (joe englert) 8. Bob Jackson (mark) 9. Pic of the Day - ?quipe Espagne 1949 (Aldo Ross) 10. Road trips. Total list offer. Thanks! (corpuz family) 11. End of the line for production lugged steel? (Harvey Sachs) 12. Julian Barrendero-A great but little known Spanish champion (gholl@optonline.net) 13. Re: Stop, Swap and Save (Wayne Bingham) 14. New Gillott pics and hot rods (Mark Stevens)

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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:40:25 -0500 From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net> Subject: [CR] Paramount A685, eBay 150320188264 To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <sheldon_family@verizon.net>, <prutledge1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4984EF79.3000409@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

Many of you will remember the recent eBay posting of this Paramount from the late 1930s. It was a "buy-it-now," and I can't find on the eBay completed listings any more. Pete Rutledge outed this bike's sale: <snip> "Nice orange bike,...It has a little more chrome than most '38/39 Paramounts--head tube and all lugs, fork tips, and track ends. Based on previous pictures that I have of this bike, hubs appear to small flange Schwinn Superior variety."

Ray Sheldon, the new owner, also lives in NoVa, and brought it by today. You know, maybe it would try mating with my '38, and we'd get valuable progeny...

It is really nice, but many features are not like anything I've seen before. Everything except the chain and the axle adjusters seems to be original. I think that Pete's right that it has the Superior hubs, but, unlike other Superior hubs I've seen, it takes regular (British) track cogs and lockrings. It also came with a pair of Paramount "telephone dial" hubs as spares, but one of them has a Superior axle set (as does one of mine) instead of the "vacuum fitted" cones with double lock rings. Tough luck, eh? The saddle even looks original, and has the proper oval Brooks badge on the flaps. If the paint is not original, then it is pretty old...sure looks original to me, and the decal looked right, too.

Ray's a recovering bike racer and a Paramount fan, and maybe we can have an area for older Paramounts (and Superiors) at Cirque this year. There are a number in the area: Larry Black, Pete Rutledge, mine, and who knows what else!

harvey sachs mcLean va

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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:46:18 -0500 From: <LouDeeter@aol.com> Subject: [CR] German Translation To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <c0e.43b221c1.36b64ada@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

If I have translated the below post correctly, I believe he is saying that postage from Germany to the U.S. isn't worth it. :) Lou Deeter, Orlando FL USA

tobitlinke@hotmail.com writes:


>
> Ich hatte am Mittwoch eigentlich schon gesagt,
> dass ich mir schon einen neuen Kalernder gekauft hatte,
> und nachdem Ihrer nicht im Kasten lag,
> habe ich auch angefangen meine Termine darein zu ?bertragen.
> Na ja.
> Gan z verstehe ich das nicht, dass Sie wegen 1,50 die Sie noch kriegen
> wenn Sie ein zweites mal Porto zahlen m?ssen,
> mein Angebot zur ?bernahme des ersten Portos ausgeschlagen haben.
> Am Ende verdient da ja nur die Post.
> Das Verkaufen eines Kalenders im Februar d?rfte sich nicht gross lohnen.
>

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Message: 3 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:52:13 -0500 From: P J Rutledge <prutledge1@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Paramount A685, eBay 150320188264 To: <hsachs@alumni.rice.edu>, Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <sheldon_family@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9E85A184B3794FF2BB1F75888ECCCF6C@TOSHIBA2006> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response

I like Harvey's suggestion to group early Schwinn Paramounts and Superiors at Cirque. I would show up with two in tow.

I'm looking forward to seeing Ray's new acquisition, too.

Pete Rutledge
Woodbridge, VA, USA


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From: "Harvey Sachs"
To: "Classic Rendezvous" ;


<sheldon_family@verizon.net>; <prutledge1@comcast.net> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: Paramount A685, eBay 150320188264


> Many of you will remember the recent eBay posting of this Paramount from
> the late 1930s. It was a "buy-it-now," and I can't find on the eBay
> completed listings any more. Pete Rutledge outed this bike's sale:
> <snip>
> "Nice orange bike,...It has a little more chrome than most '38/39
> Paramounts--head tube and all lugs, fork tips, and track ends. Based on
> previous pictures that I have of this bike, hubs appear to small flange
> Schwinn Superior variety."
>
> Ray Sheldon, the new owner, also live s in NoVa, and brought it by today.
> You know, maybe it would try mating with my '38, and we'd get valuable
> progeny...
>
> It is really nice, but many features are not like anything I've seen
> before. Everything except the chain and the axle adjusters seems to be
> original. I think that Pete's right that it has the Superior hubs, but,
> unlike other Superior hubs I've seen, it takes regular (British) track
> cogs and lockrings. It also came with a pair of Paramount "telephone dial"
> hubs as spares, but one of them has a Superior axle set (as does one of
> mine) instead of the "vacuum fitted" cones with double lock rings. Tough
> luck, eh? The saddle even looks original, and has the proper oval Brooks
> badge on the flaps. If the paint is not original, then it is pretty
> old...sure looks original to me, and the decal looked right, too.
>
> Ray's a recovering bike racer and a Paramount fan, and maybe we can have
> an area for older Paramounts (and Superiors) at Cirque this year. There
> are a number in the area: Larry Black, Pete Rutledge, mine, and who knows
> what else!
>
> harvey sachs
> mcLean va

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Message: 4 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:05:20 -0500 From: Steven Maasland <themaaslands@comcast.net> Subject: [CR] Neat city bike from the 40's sells at just over $1350 To: CR <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <5044AB4F6C5D4789997549316C2D1C85@ToshibaLaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

An auction ended earlier today on Italian ebay for a cool city bike.

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270333633854

This particular bike has the cotterless cranks and the fully internal front brake, but does not have the fully internal rear brake. There are in fact some Taurus bikes where the brake calipers are fully ensconced in the fork blades and chainstays. This one also does not have the alloy rims found on many. This explains why it sold for only 1060 euros, so about $1350. This is very cheap, as the nicer Taurus bikes, w ith these features regularly sell for over 2000 euros when traded between collectors in Italy.

Steven Maasland Moorestown, NJ USA

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Message: 5 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:31:45 -0500 From: "Dr. Paul Williams" <castell5@sympatico.ca> Subject: [CR] Have fun identifying another set of mystery British forks! To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP7121743A7A9B4D9739A7A7E4C40@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

As part of an interaction with a very friendly EBay seller for a headset for the 1950 Raleigh Clubman I recently bought from Nelson Miller, I enquired - partly in jest - whether he had a suitable set of forks for the frame. He wrote back to say that he had Raleigh forks from a later date and not in 27", but that he did have a rather nice orphan British set from what he believed to be a 60s frameset. He also thought them to be Reynolds. He was happy to send them to me for the cost of postage. I eagerly took him up on the deal and received them this past week. To my delight, they are a rather nice set - with quite fancy lugwork and a rather interesting spur on the dropouts. I have posted pictures on Wooljersey and would love to know if anyone can identify the maker!

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/castell5/fork/

They have been stripped of paint and the lampbracket fitting has been removed. I will probably still use them for the Clubman - unless I can get the real thing.

Paul Williams, Ottawa, ON, Canada

Paul B. Williams, BAH (Laurier), MPhil (Cardiff, Wales), PhD (Queen's) Dept. of Geography and Environmental Studies, Carleton University, castell5@sympatico.ca paul_williams@carleton.ca

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Message: 6 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:20:4 8 -0500 From: Tom Martin <tom@voimports.com> Subject: [CR] Westminster MD swap Feb 8. To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <internet-bob@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <b40b2a3a0901311820o55d09d8cs6c10840f83266f14@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

I'll be there, walking around, trying not to buy hyperbolic vintage NOS rare bits.

The Company Guy side of my head whispers: 'bring the Mel Pinto tandem'! Not sure if i want the responsibility or expense in hauling it there and back if it doesn't sell. It's on the VO site for $1400, down from $2500 a few months ago.

That's going to be a busy weekend. The DC randonneurs will be making a stopover at Velo Orange HQ Saturday Feb 7, weather permitting. And there's the 'Annapolis Pillage', a nocturnal cyclo-exploration of Naptown and Eastport starting at 7pm that same night, also weather permitting.

Tom Martin Annapolis MD USA

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Message: 7 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:54:38 -0800 From: joe englert <gladysenglert@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [CR] bikes for sale To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: gladysenglert@sbcglobal.net Message-ID: <585323.23407.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

hi, the paramount is-sorry gone- still have the medici 850.00 and the merckx 700.00 for sale. i need to get pics of medici but merckx pics on craigslist san fran. and sacramento cheers joe englert 9163902287 Loomis, CA usa

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Message: 8 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:10:51 -0800 From: mark <mbarnes@eskimo.com> Subject: [CR] Bob Jackson To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <20090201031051.GB2639@salix> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

There's a very good-looking 61cm Bob Jackson fr om the mid-1970s for sale at the classifieds on the serotta.com forum:

http://www.serotta.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55056&highlight=jackson

You have to sign-up to see the pics, but they're worth the trouble. I'm biased because I ride a Bob Jackson from the same era, though the paint job on mine is in pretty bad condition compared to this one.

Mark Barnes Astoria, Oregon USA

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Message: 9 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:38:20 -0500 From: Aldo Ross <aldoross4@siscom.net> Subject: [CR] Pic of the Day - ?quipe Espagne 1949 To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <B23EA41F53B24FB88C2DECDBEF74C664@Newhouse> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original

Pic of the Day 1 February, 2009 ?quipe Espagne, 1949 Tour de France

(Speaking of Julian Berrendero...)

For the 1949 Tour de France the Spanish National Team included six riders, and one of them, Julian Berrendero, had also been a member of Spain's last Tour team in 1938. But after eleven years away from the Tour, Berrendero and his teammates were ill-prepared for constant attacks and high tempo of the French and Belgian riders during the opening stages. On the first day Bernardo Capo finished outside the time limit and was eliminated. Dalmacio Langarica, Emilio Rodriguez, and Bernard Ruiz abandoned on Stage 5 - the same day Berrendero finished outside the time limit and was also eliminated. And finally, on Stage 6, the sole remaining Spaniard Jose Serra climbed off his bike and abandoned just a few kilometers after the start.

1949 would be Berrendero's final racing season. The Spaniards would not field a team again until 1951, with Bernardo Ruiz dominating a mountainous stage 10 and finishing 9th overall in Paris.

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/aldoross/pd/07+Espagne.JPG.html

Aldo Ross Middletown, Ohio, USA

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Message: 10 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 01:50:20 -0800 From: corpuz family <corpuzfamily@hotmail.com> Subject: [CR] Road trips. Tot al list offer. Thanks! To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <BLU109-W49E44187A4BC6E2538A6B4D8C40@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"

Hi All: I want to thank those who did drop in for a visit with the in-house CR offer!

Here's the first of many offers to come to the list, other offers will fo llow! We're now in need of some space because lots of stuff will be arrivin g from EUROPE. I had a dream about the COCA COLA Christmas commercial with the convoy of trucks with lights, only it was the convoy of sea container s of bicycle parts!

1. MICHELIN all white 700X28 $ 12.00 ea / buy 2 get 1 for FREE! Bundle of> 10 tires $ 75.00 On hand 50 plus bundles. 2. MICHELIN 27 X 1 BIB SPORT $ 7.00 ea / 3 for $ 15.00

3,.WOLBER SL 19 cotton tires, $ 10.00 / buy 2 get 1 for free Bundle of 10 tires $ 65.00

4. WOLBER PISTE $ 30.00 ea.

5. WOLBER 24'' $ 10.00 ea.

6. WOLBER 26'' $ 10.00 ea.

7 WOLBER cyclocross TUBULAR for dry surface $ 15.00

8 WOLBER cyclocross TUBULAR knobby for muddy conditions, $ 20,- ea.

9. TANGE LEVIN old style Campagnolo copy FRENCH thread $ 17.00 Boxed.

10. GIPIEMME Cronosprint, Campagnolo copy ( BLACK alloy ) ITALIAN thread $ 22.00

11. GIPIEMME CRONOSPECIAL with fluted arms satin ( MEXICO FINISH ) 170 -> 4 2 / 52 $ 125.00 - boxed.

12. SR royal NON DRILLED 42t chainwheel bcd 144mm bcd 144mm $ 15.00 ea.

12A. SR ROYAL drilled 42t chainwheel bcd 144mm black $ 15.00 ea.

12B. SR ROYALdrilled 47t chainwheel bcd 144mm black $ 12.00 ea.

12C. SR ROYAL drilled 47t chainwheel bcd 144mm silver $ 15.00 ea.

12D. SR ROYAL drilled 54t chainwheel bcd 44mm black $ 12.00 ea.

12E. SR ROYAL 54t drilled chainwheel bcd 144mm silver. $ 15.00

12F. SUGINO ( SUNTOUR SUPERBE PRO ) 52t drilled and milled chainwheel bcd 1 44mm black $ 22.00 ea.

13 Campagnolo 43t NR chainwheel nos/nip $ 30.00 ea. 10 available.

14. RIGI road framesets, metalic red 59cm center to center with no front derailleur Paint will be good $ 175.00.

15. CHESINI X-UNO frame sets, 59cm to 62cm RED or BLUE with original chrom ed forks $ 225.00 ea. Contact for sizes and colors.

16. OLYMPIC alloy ( FRENCH thread ) $ 15.00 pp - boxed.

17. CINELLI old logo hairnets size 5 - $ 7.00 ea, 3 for $ 17.00.

18. REG chromed steel toe-clips NOS/NIP factory bagged $ 5.00 per pair

19A. REG chromed steel toe-clips - 5 pairs for $ 20.00

20. Yellow / mustard toe straps generic Italian made $ 5.00 pp

20A. Same as above 5 pairs for $ 20.00

20. COBRA all white water bottles $ 2.75 ea / 3 for $ 7.00

21. CLARKS Medium blue cable set, brake and lined gear cables, gear cab les will be with lining $ 7.00 per set NOS/NIP.

21A. CLARKS Medium blue cable set ( older type ribbed housing ) brake and l ined gear cables. $ 10.00 per set, NOS/NIP factory bulk packed.

22. WHITE cloth tape ( French made TRESSOREX ) $ 1.25 per roll.

22A. White cloth tape ( French made TRESSOREX ) 10 rolls for $ 10.00

23. ARIUS brown suede type saddles BROWN with bag loops $ 20.00 ea.

24. EUROPEAN SHORT VITTORE GIANNI with chamios wool / acrylic blend with bu tton rear pocket size 2 $ 15.00 ea.

25. EUROPEAN SHORT VITTORE GIANNI with chamios wool / acrylic blend with bu tton rear pocket size 3 $ 15.00 ea.

25. SUNTOUR gear bags / duffle $ 15.00 ea TOP QUALITY!

26. CYCLUS headset press $ 40.00 ea.

27. JPR / VARTA French made 2 c-cell light sets with adjustable beams, fr ont and rear red front / red rear lens covers $ 15.00 ea set.

27A. Same as above ( front orange / red rear lens covers ) $ 15.00 ea set.

27B. same as above ( front blue / red rear lens covers ) $15.00 ea set. Fac tory packaged.

27C. Same as above ( front green / red rear lens covers ) $ 15.00 ea set. F actory packaged. 28. SHIMANO 600EX ( 3rd generation # BR6208 ) brake caliper sets short reac h recessed mounting $ 30.00 per set.

29. SILVA toe-straps LAMINATED with buckle pads, STANLESS steel buckles R ED with black, NOS/NIB $ 17.00 each sets.

29A. Same as above ( RED and grey ) $ 17.00 each set.

29B. Same as above ( RED and ye llow ) $ 17.00 each set.

29C. Same as above ( BLACK and yellow ) $ 20.00 each set.

30. ALFREDO BINDA ( NON LAMINATED ) white/grey $ 20.00 pair, NOS/NIP.

Thanks!

BC Baron C...And the gang!! Cafe de Velo ( 805 ) 284-3936 840e Main street Santa Paula CA. 93060