Re: [CR] Fwd: my Cinelli (now a discussion of fixed...or not)

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From: "Pat Moffat" <rocketman_531@msn.com>
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:20:50 -0700
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Subject: Re: [CR] Fwd: my Cinelli (now a discussion of fixed...or not)


Philip...

In a black and white world, all of our bikes would fit each of us perfectly...the correct standover height, correct top tube length, correct stem, correct build as spec'ed by the builder, correct tires, blah, blah blah.... I suspect some of the list members follow this formula. Not me.

I acquired a Pogliaghi about five years ago, frame and fork. It is a 64cm, which is 2 centimeters larger than my ideal size. I built it up, I ride it. It's not my ideal size, but I love the bike, and I'll never sell it. The Ron Stout that I mentioned is a touch small, but I made some adjustments when I completed the build, and I ride it most every day. I guess some would never have acquired the bike, but I have wanted one ever since David White posted the first pics of his great example. Since Stout built less than 600 frames, it's doubtful I'll ever see another, especially at the price this one came to me. Do I wish that it was a centimeter or two taller? Of course.

I have nearly 50 classic bikes in my garage. 2 are fixed. 4 are single speed. The other 44 are pure road, and all but 4 are my ideal size. I ride all of them. That hardly makes me a fixie fanatic, and I haven't taken a grinder to my bikes just to join the Fixie craze.

I'm sure I'll find that DeRosa one day, and if it's a F/F, you can bet that it'll start out as a single speed or a fixed gear. And if it's a good enough bike, I'll hang some gears on it, ride it, keep it.

Sometimes I'm envious of those whose lives follow well thought out formulas. A time and place for everything. The perfect tool for every job. Everything either black or white. But not tonight. I just got back from the garage, and I saw so many shades of gray.

Pat Moffat Tempe Arizona USA

----- Original Message ----- From: phuyghe@comcast.net<mailto:phuyghe@comcast.net> To: Pat Moffat<mailto:rocketman_531@msn.com> Cc: CR classic rendevous list<mailto:Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [CR] Fwd: my Cinelli

Hello Fellow CR List members,

Well, I would first like to say that I took CW's April Fool's prank hook, line and sinker and I am still laughing as I tell my friends about it ! Well done !

Secondly , I still stand by my belief about the Fixie bike thing and this email is an example of why . I would not ride a bike that does not fit for years whether or not it has gears.

The point I was making was that I would rather use the correct tool for the job. That means a bike that fits the task at hand , as in a road bike for the road and a track bike for the track.

But the most important point I would like to make is that from a historical / collector / restorer perspective it is IMHO a shame to disrespect the original builder's time, effort, skill, and design knowledge in order for someone to decide that they want to follow the fixie craze.

Pat, this is not a personal attack, just my opinion. But I hope anyone selling a classic road bike (especially a Derosa ) that it does not land in the hands of a Fixie fanatic.

Still Stubborn even over an April Fool's Prank,

Philip Huyghe

Rochester, Mi USA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Moffat" <rocketman_531@msn.com> To: "CR classic rendevous list" <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, phuyghe@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 5:18:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [CR] Fwd: my Cinelli

Philip Huyghe wrote "If I hear about one more person thinking of turning a classic road bike into a fixie I am going to get sick to my stomach". Well, Philip, either stop reading this post, or run for the barf bucket....

One of the joys in my life is finding a classic frame/fork and building it up. I have saved components, wheels, handlebars/stems, saddles and all the little parts and doodads for 25 years. When I do find a worthy frame, I almost always build it first as a fixie or single speed. I do this to determine whether the bike is going to work for me as a geared road bike. If it's a bike I like, I complete the build. But if not, then I haven't spent too much time building a bike that I would never ride. And some of my bikes stay fixed/single for a long time. Here is a partial list of some of my bikes that started out as fixies: 2 Raleigh Internationals (one is still fixed), Four early Paramounts (one is still single speed), Colnago Saronni, Ian Laing, Medici, a mid-'80's Merckx and a lovely Ron Stout.

I had an early '70's PX-10 that was just too small so I bagged up the parts, got a longer seat pin and stem and rode the bike fixed for years. Great bike.

I like to ride single/fixed gear bikes, and I don't have any interest in riding POS junkers. I'm hoping to one day find a DeRosa that I can afford...and you can bet that it'll start out fixed.

Pat Moffat Tempe Arizona USA ----- Original Message ----- From: phuyghe@comcast.net<mailto:phuyghe@comcast.net> To: CR classic rendevous list<mailto:Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: [CR] Fwd: my Cinelli

----- Forwarded Message ----- From: phuyghe@comcast.net<mailto:phuyghe@comcast.net> To: cwstudio@aol.com<mailto:cwstudio@aol.com> Cc: phuyghe@comcast.net<mailto:phuyghe@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 1:24:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [CR] my Cinelli

Hello fellow CR List Members,

RE: Chris Wimpey's comment of turning his Cinelli into a Fixie.

If I hear about one more person thinking of turning a classic road bi ke into a fixie I am going to get sick to my stomach !!!

If you want a Fixie take a Junk China built aluminum POS off of ebay and screw that bike up instead of a classic road bike that was hand built with skill and care.

The people who Bastardize Classics are the same people who who screw

up a classic car restoration or remodel a historic house with what th ey think are " improvements" .

Please sell the Cinelli to some one who actually cares about that Cinelli a nd take the money and buy a POS !!!

Sorry fellow List Members, but I can't take it anymore!

If I want to ride a Fixed Gear Bike, I take out my Vintage Gios Torino or my Legnano Track Bike that are originally restored and will stay that w ay!

Just say no to Bastard Classic Fixies !!!

Thanks for listening ,

Philip Huyghe

Rochester, Michigan USA

Owner of Classic Legnano, Gios Torino, Peugeot , and Eddy Merckx ...e ct.

----- Original Message ----- From: cwstudio@aol.com<mailto:cwstudio@aol.com> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org<mailto:classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 11:40:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [CR] my Cinelli

Hello all,

I have a couple of technical questions on my 1961 Cinelli Corsa.

The bike is very nice, good paint and chrome. Came to me with all original c omponents, i.e. full Campagnolo gruppo, great wheelset, and a very nice pan t ographed stem.

The frame is straight, no problems. However the fork may have an issue. It h as a very slight bend in it at the bottom, just above the dropouts. As I do n 't know the history of the bike, I can't say how this may have happened. Th e bike rides well, and the bend doesn't seem to affect anything, except perha ps helping to absorb road bumps.

My question is this: Should I try to fix the fork myself? I do have some me t al working skill and a very nice torch. Or should I just leave it alone?

My other thought is to just take off all the components, build it up with s o me Sugino gear and make a fixie.

Thanks in advance,

Chris Wimpey

San Diego, California

USA

p.s. what day is it?

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