Re: [CR] Fwd: Frogs

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:13:01 -0400
From: "Edward Albert" <ealbert01@gmail.com>
To: Angel Garcia <veronaman@gmail.com>
Cc: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR] Fwd: Frogs


Jewed: disparaging and offensive (IMHO) Edward Albert Chappaqua, New York, U.S.A.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Angel Garcia <veronaman@gmail.com> wrote:
> re: nothing insulting or derogatory in any of these nicknames:
>
> Kraut: "Slang (disparaging and offensive), a German....
> Frog: "Slang (disparaging and offensive), a French person
> Limey: "Slang (sometimes disparaging and offensive), British person, sailor
>
> The quotes are from Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the
> English Language. They probably have quite a bit of experience with history
> and language.
>
> Angel Garcia
> Long Valley, NJ
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> Date: Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR] Frogs
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, nicbordeaux <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr>
>
>
>
> Quite true, and this even carried over to the New World, where frog legs
> are
> a favorite in Cajun Louisiana as well. So as I observed, "frog" for the
> French is similar to "kraut" for the Germans, implying a fondness for
> sauerkraut, which does in fact feature in many German dishes. Or Limey for
> the Brits, which I believe refers to the limes once carried on ships of the
> Royal Navy to help prevent scurvy. There is absolutely nothing insulting
> or
> derogatory in any of these nicknames, any more than in calling a person
> from
> Oklahoma a Sooner.
>
> True, not every Frenchman likes frog legs, nor every German saurkraut, so
> these are in a sense "stereotypes", but if that equates to racism, then so
> does the phrase "American as apple pie", since not all Americans like apple
> pie either.
>
> There are indeed offensive racial slurs in the world, but the above are not
> among them. Those who try to portray every nickname as racist are not only
> engaging gratuitous Political Correctness, but also exhibiting their
> ignorance of both history and language.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, Texas, USA
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 5/24/09, nicbordeaux <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > From: nicbordeaux <nicbordeaux@yahoo.fr>
> > Subject: [CR] Frogs
> > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 9:12 AM
> >
> > Well documented (?) references to a Queen having a litle
> > friend from France whom she bestowed with the title of My
> > Little Frog, I think we're slitting hairs here.
> >
> > The French are called Frogs or have been called so because
> > they eat frog's legs (fried, they are rather like chicken,
> > albeit not much meat). A great gallic speciality, along with
> > Snails, which are ralther delicious actually, but what isn't
> > if you pour enough sauce and garlic on it ?
> >
> > As to what France bought to cycling ? Everything.
> >
> > Nick March, Agen 47000 France
> >
> >
> >
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