Re: [CR] Harry Quinn on EBay

Does anyone know if Mafac 2000 brake (transverse) cables are interchangeable with Mafac Competition cables, as this ebay listing suggests: 370280409464

Failing that, does anyone know a source of Mafac 2000 cables, even repro ones? ?I'm quite surprised that there doesn't seem to be an aftermarket of these cables. ?Perhaps due to some principle of engineering that I'm ignorant of, they simply don't wear out.

Best wishes, Mark

Mark Lawrence Oxford United Kingdom _______________________________________________

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Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:33:00 -0700 From: Bill Kloos <billkloos@landuseoregon.com> Subject: [CR] How to pull pressed in bearing races from Campy Hubs To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Cc: Bill Kloos <billkloos@landuseoregon.com> Message-ID: <013e01ca5649$38c3ae30$aa4b0a90$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Jack --This nail method works great. Start with a 16d framing nail and no need to grind the head. This is a slow, two beer exercise. As for support on the bottom of the hub, buy a stout PVC coupling from the plumbing section of the hardware store with a diameter smaller than the hub shell. Set the hub on the end of that PVC. Good support; not to hard; not too soft.

Bill Kloos Eugene, OR 97401 e-mail: billkloos@landuseoregon.com

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Subject: Re: [CR] How to pull pressed in bearing races from Campy hubs? To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <05D32310377C4AEA9577904FE97EE566@ARSPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original

Jack- A lot of guys will just use a big old nail a common headed nail large enough to go all the way through the hub. The head is ground down in diameter to just fit past the race's axle hole, the head is placed up against the back of the race and the pointy end of the nail gets hit with a hammer. Move the nail about the race's circumference and "walk" the race out

with multiple whacks.
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> I've got a set of wheels with Campy high flange hubs, that originated on
> my
> 72 Paramount. The pressed in races in the hubs are in bad shape. I now
> have the replacement races to put in them, but haven't figured out how to
> pull the old pressed in races out, or what tool is needed to do the job.
> I
> suppose the large Campy toolsets that used to come in the wooden cases may
> have had some sort of tool for that job...but I don't have one of those
> tool
> sets. Other techniques or tools that will work?
>
> Jack Countryman
> Greensburg, IN USA
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Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:48:43 -0500 From: "Strickler, George M Jr." <gstrickler@tulane.edu> Subject: [CR] Girl's Frejus To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <63905F71CF9A794F80217187D219FA4B01B0110C@EX07.ad.tulane.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

A vintage girl's Frejus has cropped up a couple of times on this list. I think I appeared on a craig's list in Cal. Does anyone know if that bike is still available and, if so, a way to contact the seller? I just thought up a reason for trying to buy it.

George Strickler

New Orleans

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Message: 4 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:30:40 -0400 From: <crumpy6204@aol.com> Subject: [CR] P/R or R/P To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <8CC246868BB23C9-40B8-13618@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

"Path racer" is just that. Race on the PATH ( track), ONLY! No oles. braze ons etc ."Road/Path" is ment most of the bikes we clubmen rode, To be used on the road AND the path(track) multi use bike,Front fork ole. mudguard braze ons. Front fork lamp boss, sometimes a rear lamp boss on the seat stays, No brake or gear cable braze ons, use only front brake.fixed wheel Strip er down and away you go! Cheers John Crump OldnogoBrit, Parker. Co USA

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Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:47:35 +0000 From: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: [CR] For Sale Five British frames, Hobbs, Rotrax, Holdsworth, Shorter, Pollard To: classic rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <4AE5C497.7030004@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed

Hi everyone,

Offered to CR members are five excellent British built frames. .

I can take payment a number of ways - Paypal or cheque in GBP, cash sent registered post, Traveller?s cheques in $, direct bank transfer within the UK or European Iban bank transfer. I will always combine shipping in order to reduce costs.

Frames and wheel pairs cost 80 GBP to ship to the USA, 100 GBP to ship to Australia/New Zealand and 11 GBP within the UK.

With the pound being still quite low in value these are a real bargain... for US and European buyers.

Hilary Stone, Bristol, British Isles

HOBBS SUPERBE 1947 Fancy lugs Seat Tube (ctt): 21in Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in Rear dropout width: 110mm Wheel size: 27in/700C Frame tubing: Almost certainly Reynolds 531 DB Brake drop with 700C/Sprint wheel: 58mm Hobbs were probably the first British manufacturer to adopt fancy lugs in 1936 and the design they used then continued to be used until the early 1950s as seen herre on this 1947 example. This frame is in very sound condition with no dents or dings and will look truly superb once renovated. 175GBP http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Hobbs-Superbe-1947.jpg

HOLDSWORTH TORNADO 1950 Gorgeous fancy lugs Seat Tube (ctt): 22in Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in Rear dropout width: 115mm Wheel size: 27in /700C Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 DB Brake drop with 700C/Sprint wheel: 58mm The Tornado was Holdsworth?s model for mass start racing and was introduced in 1950 - this must be one of the very first examples. It is one of Holdsworth?s rarer models and is very attractive... It has been quite nicely hand painted and fitted with the correct transfers. The frames appears to be extremely sound. 145GBP http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Holdsworth-Tornado.jpg

POLLARD Nervex Pro c1952 Seat Tube (ctt): 24in Top Tube (ctc): 23in Rear dropout width: 120mm Wheel size: 27in/700C Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 DB Brake drop with 700C/Sprint wheel: 58mm Pollards were a well regarded local framebuilder in Coventry who were certainly in business until the early 1990s. This frame with Nervex Pro lugs of the early pattern is really rather nice. 85GBP http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Pollard-c1952.jpg

SHORTER TT Seat Tube (ctt): 21.75in Top Tube (ctc): 21.5in Rear dropout width: 122mm Wheel size: 700C Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 butted main tubes Brake drop with 700C/Sprint wheel: 45mm Alf Engers the great British short distance time trial specialist rode Shorter frames in the 1970s. Their frames were not built in house but by a variety of framebuilders including it is believed Vic Edwards and Wally Green. This particular frame could well be a Vic Edwards built frame - it is lighter than a standard 531 DB frame and has some really nice details including the fastback seatstays. 95GBP http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Shorter-TT.jpg

ROTRAX SUPERCOURSE FRAME 1953 Seat Tube (ctt): 21in Top Tube (ctc): 22in Rear dropout width: 115mm Wheel size: 27in/700C Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 DB Brake drop with 700C/Sprint wheel: 58mm This is a very beautiful Rotrax frame which is thought to be the Supercourse model - the normal long points on the head lugs would not not be possible on a small frame such as this. In every other respect it has all the Supercourse details - the wonderful reinforced pump pegs, the most elegant rear brake bridge ever etc - and it has the remains of its elaborate original finish featuring both white and yellow box lining! It does however I think need refinishing... The frame is in very sound condition, the seatstays have a few small dents from a saddlebag support but nothing which cannot be easily filled. A wonderful frame. Reduced to 145GBP http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r77/hilarystone/Rotrax-.jpg

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Message: 6 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:55:24 +0000 From: Bob Hillery <rhillery@hawksi.org> Subject: [CR] Harry Quinn on ebay To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <W717061623714411256572524@webmail6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Recent listing that may not yet have been 'outed' here" A '72 Harry Quinn frame & fork, item # 290363542493

I don't know anything about HQ other than what I've read here & on the CR site, but it is in my size & I've got a couple questions: 1. Seller says it's been clear coated to preserve decals - mmm, I could make an argument either way and not sure which side I'd settle on, keep it original or hey, good idea to keep look protected without color touch up, etc. ... guess that's not a "question" as I'm pretty sure I'll get both viewpoints, and those more vehement at either end of the spectrum ;-) 2. serial number - looks in he photo like Q2351 ... would that nbe a '72? - I have an inquiry out to the seller re: this, trying to politely ask how the year was determined. 3. Tange headset - probably not original? 4. What would a typical build have for components, if there is such a thing as a 'typical' build?

Thanks Bob Hillery , desperately looking for excuses to quit working early today and do an autumn ride in Stratham, New Hampshire, US

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Message: 7 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:03:48 +0000 From: Nic Henderson <nic.henderson@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Tony Oppermann's unidentified English frame - now Bespoke frames. To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <E9548940F8A84D38BC5167547DFFC672@NicLaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Norris Lockley wrote :- I have recently been taking stock of my tubes, lugs etc etc and, after a considerable lay-off due to spending much time in France renovating a property there, I have just started building again, and may consider undertaking a few road-paths to order.

Hey Norris, will the frames be built under the 'Bespoke' name?? The name on the frame that I so lusted after when I was a young man!!

Nic Henderson Croesyceiliog Cwmbran Torfaen U.K

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Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:21:30 -0400 From: Wayne Bingham <veloclassique@gmail.com> Subject: [CR] Mafac 2000 brake (transverse) cables To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <a5a5db6f0910260921l35a973fdoa05f15a758a70734@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

Mark wrote:
>>>Does anyone know if Mafac 2000 brake (transverse) cables are interchangeable with Mafac Competition cables, as this ebay listing suggests: 370280409464 Failing that, does anyone know a source of Mafac 2000 cables, even repro ones? I'm quite surprised that there doesn't seem to be an aftermarket of these cables.<<<

The transverse cable for the Mafac Competition and the 2000 caliper is the same part number (#1469). I doubt anyone is making repros though. Too much effort for too little return, I suspect.

-- Wayne Bingham Velo Classique PO Box 2069 Purcellville, VA 20134 USA 540-338-8376 http://www.veloclassique.com

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Message: 9 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:31:54 -0700 From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Harry Quinn on ebay To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, Bob Hillery <rhillery@hawksi.org> Message-ID: <318249.71828.qm@web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

The passing of Harry and connected discussion of his bikes makes me think of the first one I ever saw. It was in Montreal, at the 1974 World Championships. A couple of us drove up and we were staying at a youth hostel at a Unitarian church, most of the young people there were in town for the Championships.

Many guys brought their bikes. I remember a Celeste Bianchi Specialissmo and a black Harry Quinn. The Quinn was notable for its short wheelbase and steep angles by the standards of the day. The course included a steep climb of Mont Royale and an equally steep descent. Many spectators went out on the course the evening before the race to ride it themselves. I remember the guy with the Quinn departing in the early evening to ride the course. Later that night he returned to the hostel with bandages from head to foot. Evidently overcooked it on the descent and crashed. Probably not the only one that evening to do so. Fortunately, the Quinn was not badly damaged.

While evidently red was the typical Quinn color, I always think of them as black because of that memory.

Regards,

Jerry Moos
Big Spring, Texas, USA