Re: [CR] Intro & comp GS country of manufacture question

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:01:25 -0500
From: "George Allen" <jgallen@lexairinc.com>
To: "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR] Intro & comp GS country of manufacture question


I have a 1979 and a 1980 and I'm pretty sure they were made in England. I always thought the Suntour drop-outs were the dead give-away for a Japanese made frame.

George Allen Lexington, KY

Putman, Clyde wrote:
>The adhesive on the "Made in Japan" stickers was clearly defective.
>They consistantly fell off during assembly "back in the day"
>
>Frankly the finish work on the Japanese bikes was often a LOT better than the English built, so really nothing to be ashamed of.
>
>Cheers on a cold evening in
>Dallas, TX, USA, earth
>Clyde "the devil is in the decals" Putman
>
>
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>From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of marcus.e.helman@gm.com [marcus.e.helman@gm.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:49 PM
>To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Subject: Re: [CR] Intro & comp GS country of manufacture question
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>I am not trying to be a smart-aleck, but I would expect that a Japanese
>Raleigh would have a "Made in Japan" sticker. My 1981 Raleigh Gran Sport
>(gas pipe tubing, far different from a Grand Sport) has one. Also the
>heron headbadge only says "The Raleigh" It does not say Nottingham or
>England.
>
>Not a Raleigh expert by any means,
>Marcus Helman
>Detroit, MI
>
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>Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:25:37 +0000
>From: damien roohr <droohr@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [CR] Intro & comp GS country of manufacture question
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>Thanks everyone -
>Sounds like there is no sure way of identifying a Japanese made Raleigh
>comp gs. So it goes. .. the bike i will view tomorrow is assessed by the
>owner - who has been in the bike business as a shop owner and back then a
>Raleigh-dealer - since 1971 -- believes the bike is a Nottingham product.
>However, and at the same time, he freely admits that for some many years
>Raleigh did what it had to do to ship a bike - components being traded
>freely between models, etc. -
>
>The bike says Raleigh Comp GS - it's black, has Campy stuff and has a 531
>label - I might just go for it! If, in the end, it does not ride like a
>wishy-washy, shock-absorbing (hey, i am a former c-dale pilot)
>double-butted 531 frame - then at least i got some cool campy bits!-
>
>thanks everyone - i'll keep you possted!!
>
>Damien
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Anthony Taylor" <ajft1942@yahoo.com>
>To: "Andrew R Stewart" <onetenth@earthlink.net>, "damien roohr"
><droohr@comcast.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 6:09:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>Subject: Re: [CR] Intro & comp GS country of manufacture question
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>Hi all,
>
>Not too long ago, I bought a Raleigh frame (ebay), thinking it was a
>Competition model. It has Nervex lugs, the classic Raleigh head badge, the
>classic '70's elegant long rake fork, half chrome front and back, but it
>has Suntour drop-outs. I cannot find the frame number pattern on any of
>the sites dating frames by the number.
>
>The seller listed it as a 56 cm, but it is a 58 - too big. It is still a
>very nice frame even if a bit of a mystery. I would appreciate any feed
>back.
>
>Cheers from "sunny" 8'' + Manchester NH
>
>Tony Taylor
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>From: Andrew R Stewart <onetenth@earthlink.net>
>To: damien roohr <droohr@comcast.net>; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:44:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [CR] Intro & comp GS country of manufacture question
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>Damien- For any one who is familiar with the English Raleigh bikes
>spotting a Japanese version is easy. They look kind of like the English
>ones but the details are slightly off. Clumsier lug lining but with more
>consistent frame paint being the start of the visuals differences. My
>memory is too dim to recall if the drop outs were different but I think
>so. Also dim is the change from Euro but non Campy components, to Campy GS
>(with the three arm crank) then to the Campy GS with the 5 arm crank. I
>sure others will be more detailed in the comparison.
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "damien roohr" < droohr@comcast.net >
>To: < classicrendezvous@bikelist.org >
>Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:49 AM
>Subject: [CR] Intro & comp GS country of manufacture question
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>>Hi everyone,
>>By way of introduction I have been racing bicycles for about 25 years in
>>
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>New England, not so much the past 5 years, and as for results, solidly
>mediocre. I cut my riding and racing teeth on a 1974 Raleigh Super Course
>Mk II (green and white) which I am still kicking myself for getting rid of
>- although I have the Normandy hubs and Huret Jubilee DRs on my desk as
>conversation pieces). Of late have been developing a keen interest in
>acquiring and refurbishing a vintage ride. Here is my question:
>
>
>>Was the Raleigh Competition GS ever manufactured in Japan? I am pretty
>>
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>certain through the 1970s they were made only in England - so I am
>concerned with 1980, 81, 82. I do not have a serial number to reference at
>this time - so if some were made in Japan and some not, does anyone know
>how one could tell the difference?
>
>
>>I am considering acquiring a 1981 with full GS components - and it says
>>
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>"Carlton" on the seat tube. But I really want to invest in an England-made
>frame for this project. Thanks in advance - you guys (meaning everyone)
>are great!
>
>
>>Damien Roohr
>>Canton CT
>>1999 Klein Quantum Pro
>>1982 Schwinn Traveler fixie conversion
>>
>>
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