I call "sleight of hand" in your response...
You wouldn't be able to correctly identify which were which by riding without an insane amount of luck - however, as my point has been, you would be able to describe:
- Steering response - Rider position and comfort - Road shock absorption - Crank-to-wheel response in hills and sprints - Stability in descents - Stability at increasing speeds - (the list goes on...)
How they score in above of course would be your opinion - others would reserve final judgement for themselves.
To assign a certain "feel" exclusively to a certain "nation" in relation to bicycles is to ascribe to a religion that quite frankly I've never heard of.
=8-)
Robert Shackelford San Jose, CA USA
Quoting Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>:
>
> Well I am saying if I rode three typical 70's road bikes from France, say
> PX-10, LeJeune F-70 amd Gitane TdF, and three typical 70's Italian bikes, say
> Colnago Super, Bianchi Superleggeri, and Cinelli Supercorsa, I damn sure
> could tell the difference.
>
> Every time, without fail, no contest, blindfolded. And if you can't, either
> you've never ridden a PX-10, or you just weren't paying attention.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Big Spring, Texas, USA
>
>
> --- On Sun, 3/22/09, mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net> wrote:
>
> > From: mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net>
> > Subject: Re: [CR] Ride Report on early 80's Zunow
> > To: jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net
> > Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, "Nor Meyer" <norbikes@gmail.com>
> > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 6:37 PM
> > So are you claiming the following?
> >
> > That after riding 9 road bikes - three from Japan, three
> > from Italy, and three
> > from France...all from the 70's...
> >
> > ...with their paint and distinguishing marks removed...all
> > with the same
> > gruppo...let's say Campy NR...
> >
> > You would be able to tell which is which?
> >
> > Wine tasting is back in season in Napa and Sonoma...
> >
> > =8-)
> >
> > Robert Shackelford
> > San Jose, CA USA
> >
> >
> > Quoting Jerome & Elizabeth Moos
> > <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>:
> >
> > >
> > > As has been discussed here fairly often, the
> > 60's/70's French bikes with
> > > metric gauge 531 DB tubing, as exemplified by the
> > Peugeot PX-10, had a
> > > characteristic ride which many Francophiles find the
> > best riding bikes ever
> > > made. The pro quality French bikes of the time
> > usually had very similar
> > > geometries to each other and clearly different from
> > Italian frames, which
> > > also contributed to the ride. So yes, at least in the
> > 70's there were
> > > distinct French and Italian "feel" based on
> > different tubing and different
> > > geometry.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jerry Moos
> > > Big Spring, Texas, USA
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Nor Meyer
> > <norbikes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Nor Meyer <norbikes@gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [CR] Ride Report on early 80's
> > Zunow
> > > > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> > > > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 12:04 PM
> > > > * It definitely feels more Italian than French,
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'm curious. What exactly duz
> > the above
> > > > evaluation mean? Do
> > > > differant nationalities produce bikes with
> > differant
> > > > "feel"? A little more
> > > > explication, please.
> > > > Thanx!
> > > >
> > > > Nor Meyer, in Mt. Vernon, IA
> > > >
> > > >
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